Decent Job Ramsey...And Now He Has Taylor Jacobs!

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Ok Offiss, what is your take on Ramsey's performance yesterday?

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

Did you watch the Lions-Broncos game yesterday?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

Put down the crack pipe and admit you're completely wrong.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

It's almost like I'm seeing one of those ESPN the magazine commercials where the guy is talking out of his ass. You win the official talking out of your ass award for this week crazy horse.
In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the quote I put in bold, you haven't, that was Ramsey's first game this season. And if you feel a guy that has 2 turnovers including one that went for a TD, and had only 1 td...we that sucks. Any player that doubles his turnovers compared to td's is worth nothing. Also, a 76.5 rating is terrible. So what was that you were saying about "check out his stats"? I did...they show that he sucked.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by offiss

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

Haha, well it's obvious you don't like Gibbs. But do you not like him as a head coach at all or just the Gibbs 2.0v?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Haha, well it's obvious you don't like Gibbs. But do you not like him as a head coach at all or just the Gibbs 2.0v?

Obviously what Skins fan didn't like Gibbs back in the day?

But Gibbs now? Here is what I think his real problem is and I said his first season back, he doesn't have Bobby Beathard feeding him unlimited talent, he's throwing away picks for no body's, BB gave him the best O-line in football for 10 years, Gibbs could dominate defensive lines and do what ever he wanted, ain't happening any more, I think Gibbs thought that he could handle personnel because of his superior coaching abilities and found out he needs superior talent to be affective, our O-line was the heart and soul of all those SB teams, and yet we really don't focus on that line in the draft, even when healthy our line does not push people backwards which is why we don't run the ball effectively which is why teams can load up on our WR's.

As for our QB's? Well Gibbs is allowed to hand pick them he's paid steep prices for what I believe to be failures, unlike when BB would find gems later in the draft. Gibbs first go round he wanted to get rid of Theisman and Riggins, imagine if he had total control over personnel back then?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by offiss

As for our QB's? Well Gibbs is allowed to hand pick them he's paid steep prices for what I believe to be failures, unlike when BB would find gems later in the draft. Gibbs first go round he wanted to get rid of Theisman and Riggins, imagine if he had total control over personnel back then?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. THIS IS AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT AND BEARS NO RELATION TO THE TRUTH.

Sorry, read to many "Offiss loves Ramsey" posts and just lost it.

In Gibbs 1.0:

Gibbs had the authority to cut any player he wanted. Beathard brought'em in, but Gibbs could get rid of'em that's the way it worked. (Gibbs also, initially, wanted to get rid of Jacoby as just another undrafted lineman, but, as with Theisman, he gave him a chance and the players earned his trust).

Ramsey is, at best, a mediocre back-up who is immobile and, after multiple opportunities with multiple coaches, continues to be a turnover machine after six years in the league.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. THIS IS AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT AND BEARS NO RELATION TO THE TRUTH.

Sorry, read to many "Offiss loves Ramsey" posts and just lost it.

In Gibbs 1.0:

Gibbs had the authority to cut any player he wanted. Beathard brought'em in, but Gibbs could get rid of'em that's the way it worked. (Gibbs also, initially, wanted to get rid of Jacoby as just another undrafted lineman, but, as with Theisman, he gave him a chance and the players earned his trust).

Ramsey is, at best, a mediocre back-up who is immobile and, after multiple opportunities with multiple coaches, continues to be a turnover machine after six years in the league.

Personel attacks only BEARS out your ingnorance!

The fact is Gibbs didn't want to cut Jacoby, he wanted 100 players in camp and not 1 more, so one of the scouts showed up with him and Gibbs yelled at him telling him he only wanted 100 players in camp and not 1 more, the scout said Jacoby is over 300 pounds with a 38 inch waste, Gibbs said then cut some one else, so in fairness to Gibbs he never saw the guy play to make an evaluation it was a numbers thing at the time.

Gibbs didn't have to play players and could cut who he wanted but how was he really going to circumvent BB without free agency that is in place now? He couldn't, he had to go with the players BB gave him, which turned out to be tremendous players along with tremendous depth. BB parted ways with us because of personnel disagreements with Gibbs which I believe the Mike Olyphant for Byner trade and the Gerald Riggs trade that BB did at Gibbs behest was the last straw for BB.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by offiss

Personel attacks only BEARS out your ingnorance!

The fact is Gibbs didn't want to cut Jacoby, he wanted 100 players in camp and not 1 more, so one of the scouts showed up with him and Gibbs yelled at him telling him he only wanted 100 players in camp and not 1 more, the scout said Jacoby is over 300 pounds with a 38 inch waste, Gibbs said then cut some one else, so in fairness to Gibbs he never saw the guy play to make an evaluation it was a numbers thing at the time.

Gibbs didn't have to play players and could cut who he wanted but how was he really going to circumvent BB without free agency that is in place now? He couldn't, he had to go with the players BB gave him, which turned out to be tremendous players along with tremendous depth. BB parted ways with us because of personnel disagreements with Gibbs which I believe the Mike Olyphant for Byner trade and the Gerald Riggs trade that BB did at Gibbs behest was the last straw for BB.

First. I apologize for the personal attack it was over the top. Your "It's all Gibbs fault, Ramsey's really a great QB who never got a chance" attitude coupled with your abiding Brunnell hatred got to me and I vented in an inappropriate fashion.

With that said, and IMHO, you're consistent ragging on Gibbs b/c of his handling of Ramsey is simply wrong headed and ignores Ramsey's inability to win a starting job anywhere else in this QB starved league. Your refusal to admit that Ramsey's lack of success is his own fault and continued assertion that it is all Gibbs'/Spurrier's fault is particularly annoying. Ramsey has had ample opportunities to "seize the day" and has failed to do so. I have always liked the guy, but it is seems pretty clear that the NFL's coaches and GM's simply don't believe he can be a starter in this league.

Second, to imply or intimate that Gibbs drove off Beathard ignores the nature of the relationship, is disengenous and fails to look at the complete "Beathard" picture. Bobby was a California boy and never thought of the east coast as home. In addition, I think it's been pretty well documented that Gibbs and BB had a stressful but productive partnership. Two very talented men whose different approaches and/or duties led to some heated disagreements. In even the best of circumstances, this creates a difficult work enviroment and, coupled with his desire to live on the west coast, BB moved on. Had Gibbs been the cali boy and not Beathard, it would probably been Gibbs who had left first.

[rk3025]

Did you ever check out Bobby Beathard's draft choices in New Orleans and losses by the bunch even with high picks ???
Have you seen what they have done since they fired Bobby?
Please do not let him back running things in DC and Mr. Snyder I believe is smart to continue with what we have

Originally Posted by offiss

Obviously what Skins fan didn't like Gibbs back in the day?

But Gibbs now? Here is what I think his real problem is and I said his first season back, he doesn't have Bobby Beathard feeding him unlimited talent, he's throwing away picks for no body's, BB gave him the best O-line in football for 10 years, Gibbs could dominate defensive lines and do what ever he wanted, ain't happening any more, I think Gibbs thought that he could handle personnel because of his superior coaching abilities and found out he needs superior talent to be affective, our O-line was the heart and soul of all those SB teams, and yet we really don't focus on that line in the draft, even when healthy our line does not push people backwards which is why we don't run the ball effectively which is why teams can load up on our WR's.

As for our QB's? Well Gibbs is allowed to hand pick them he's paid steep prices for what I believe to be failures, unlike when BB would find gems later in the draft. Gibbs first go round he wanted to get rid of Theisman and Riggins, imagine if he had total control over personnel back then?

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by rk3025

Did you ever check out Bobby Beathard's draft choices in New Orleans and losses by the bunch even with high picks ???
Have you seen what they have done since they fired Bobby?
Please do not let him back running things in DC and Mr. Snyder I believe is smart to continue with what we have

Dude - Bobby Beathard was never the GM in New Orleans. In fact, everywhere he went, success was sure to follow. Educate yourself.

Ramsey is nothing more than a serviceable backup in this league. He's proven that time and time again. Sunday was no different. He wasn't able to stop the bleeding after Cutler went down, and if Cutler can't go this weekend, he'll provide the Broncos with a veteran under center against Kansas City.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by offiss

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

Do you mean Captain Queeg? (This thread is getting weirder...)



We played our guts out!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Do you mean Captain Queeg? (This thread is getting weirder...)



We played our guts out!

Yes thank you, I wasnt sure how to spell it and punched it up on the search eng and that's how it came up, my bad.

I do have to say I absolutely love that Pic with the caption can I steel it from you? Please!!!!!! lol

Is it possible to put a Skins cap on him? lol

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by offiss

Yes thank you, I wasnt sure how to spell it and punched it up on the search eng and that's how it came up, my bad.

I do have to say I absolutely love that Pic with the caption can I steel it from you? Please!!!!!! lol

Is it possible to put a Skins cap on him? lol

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