Decent Job Ramsey...And Now He Has Taylor Jacobs!

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

If Brunell had had that game (over 260 yds and a td against a vastly superior team), we'd be having little bonfires of happiness all over D.C. and we'd have him as a starter for the next three years.

Ramsey also had a big game in the exhibtion season this year. Did I mention that Ramsey's twenty two games (or equivlent of) were uncannily similar to the first twenty two games of John Elway. Hmmm. And, as I remember, both were hailed as future stars-- until Gibbs showed up with Brunell and so called Redskin fans started kissing the old man's butt by coming down on Ramsey, even after he took over for Brunell and jerked our offense from oblivion.

The permanent replacing of Ramsey in the first game of the season after a successful quarter will be long remembered as the defining moment of Gibbs' failure as a returning hero. That moment said it all. The loss of judgment, the inability to adjust, the breakdown of principle, the loss of the players' trust, etc. That year was the year we had the talent to go to the Superbowl.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

If Brunell had had that game (over 260 yds and a td against a vastly superior team), we'd be having little bonfires of happiness all over D.C. and we'd have him as a starter for the next three years.

Ramsey also had a big game in the exhibtion season this year. Did I mention that Ramsey's twenty two games (or equivlent of) were uncannily similar to the first twenty two games of John Elway. Hmmm. And, as I remember, both were hailed as future stars-- until Gibbs showed up with Brunell and so called Redskin fans started kissing the old man's butt by coming down on Ramsey, even after he took over for Brunell and jerked our offense from oblivion.

The permanent replacing of Ramsey in the first game of the season after a successful quarter will be long remembered as the defining moment of Gibbs' failure as a returning hero. That moment said it all. The loss of judgment, the inability to adjust, the breakdown of principle, the loss of the players' trust, etc.

Crazyhorse where have you been all my life? lol

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

Garbage time in that game? What, the Lions game? Ramsey came in at the start of the 2nd half and the score was just 6-0 Lions.

By the way, how do you feel about your best (only?) friend here being a hippie liberal?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Garbage time in that game? What, the Lions game? Ramsey came in at the start of the 2nd half and the score was just 6-0 Lions.

By the way, how do you feel about your best (only?) friend here being a hippie liberal?

He definitely isn't when it comes to football, don't know the man but I would be shocked if it where the case seeing his ability to read and peg the Ramsey situation, he did a great job with it.

I didn't follow the game real close I assumed they were getting a beat down when Ramsey came in, and the only plays that I saw Ramsey had guys leveling him as he set up to throw, so I really couldn't break down his performance, but I wasnt prepared to put much stock into a good or bad performance right now, it will take a little time to see how things ultimately pan out for him. How bout giving it a rest for a while and allow things to play out?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

He definitely isn't when it comes to football, don't know the man but I would be shocked if it where the case seeing his ability to read and peg the Ramsey situation, he did a great job with it.

I didn't follow the game real close I assumed they were getting a beat down when Ramsey came in, and the only plays that I saw Ramsey had guys leveling him as he set up to throw, so I really couldn't break down his performance, but I wasnt prepared to put much stock into a good or bad performance right now, it will take a little time to see how things ultimately pan out for him. How bout giving it a rest for a while and allow things to play out?

The score was 6-0 Detroit when Ramsey came in the game early in the 2nd quarter.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Garbage time in that game? What, the Lions game? Ramsey came in at the start of the 2nd half and the score was just 6-0 Lions.

By the way, how do you feel about your best (only?) friend here being a hippie liberal?

Get your generations straight. Hippies came after my generation. I was of the Beat Generation and my lifestyle was Bohemian.

You kids, these days. First, you can't find Canada on a map, and now this!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

The ship is sinking at 5-3??

C'mon, stop spewing nonsense.

[mheisig]

We have a thread devoted to a second-rate QB playing fill-in on a team that's not in our division and not in our conference and that most likely we won't play this year?

Seriously, I'm a big fan of Thread Hell lately. Let's just be liberal with it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by offiss

Say on brother!

The little I saw he had pressure in his face constantly, 1 game doesn't mean much, his numbers? Well if those were Campbell's numbers we would have thread after thread saying how he's coming into his own, it was pretty much garbage time in that game. Lets see what happens next week if he gets the start?

Gibbs and Lunacy? I couldn't agree more, the ship is sinking and Captain Quigg is at the wheel, or should I say old yellow stain?

If this is what NOT drinking the Kool-Aid turns you into, then someone pass me a nice big jug of the red stuff.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Same old hate and BS about Ramsey. Check his stats and record with the Skins-- still better than Brunell's or Campbell's, inspite of playing most of the equivalent of 22 games without blockers or receivers and with two horrible offensive coaches who abused and lied to him. It's pretty hard to blame the guy for twitching now.

This hatred of Ramsey came about because most Redskins fans were trying to defend Gibbs' absolute lunacy about Brunell. That lunacy has essentially destroyed the Skins, even until now. By the way, check out Ramsey's stats for this year.

Sorry, wrong.

Ramsey was 8-12 as a starter for a winning % of .400. His QB rating here was 74.1.

Brunell was 16-19 including the playoffs for a winning % of .457. His QB rating here is 78.7.

Campbell is 7-8 for a winning % of .466. His QB rating is 75.6.

Nobody hates Ramsey, we just think he's nothing special.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry, wrong.

Ramsey was 8-12 as a starter for a winning % of .400. His QB rating here was 74.1.

Brunell was 16-19 including the playoffs for a winning % of .457. His QB rating here is 78.7.

Campbell is 7-8 for a winning % of .466. His QB rating is 75.6.

Nobody hates Ramsey, we just think he's nothing special.

Hey, get out of here with those "silly stats"!

We won't stand for someone using facts to debunk ignorance - away with you!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Hey, get out of here with those "silly stats"!

We won't stand for someone using facts to debunk ignorance - away with you!

THAT'S HUMOR!!!!!!!!!

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry, wrong.

Ramsey was 8-12 as a starter for a winning % of .400. His QB rating here was 74.1.

Brunell was 16-19 including the playoffs for a winning % of .457. His QB rating here is 78.7.

Campbell is 7-8 for a winning % of .466. His QB rating is 75.6.

Nobody hates Ramsey, we just think he's nothing special.

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

What do you mean "the equivalent of" Do you just mean 22 games?

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean "the equivalent of" Do you just mean 22 games?

He played in 31 games, but often for only brief appearances. Brunell also had a few quarters off, which I have factored in. I haven't had to make adjustments for Campbell.

The interesting things to me are:

Ramsey's record with the Skins for the first 22 games is similiar to Elway's first 22.

Some people on this site insist that Ramsey was never a first-string calibre quarterback inspite of the fact that his record with the Skins was better than Green's, Gus', Jason's, Tony's, Shane's, Sage's, Mark's, etc.

Ramsey is the top Redskin ground gainer of the 21st century and actually played less than a season and a half.

Skins fan were generally in agreement that Ramsey was the Skins' offense and one of the best risings stars in the league until Gibbs brought in Brunell and Gibbs needed defending.

What followed was the greatest fan distortion of reality I have ever seen in sports. Ramsey had to be trashed so Gibbs could be an infallible God.