Does Brandon Lloyd REALLY deserve all this hate?

[offiss]

It's all Lloyds fault, we know Moss can play and what's happened to him this year? I just can't judge a WR in this offense with Campbell throwing to him, our offense is a joke to blame a reciever just isn't fair. Patten had some pretty nice numbers before he arrived from the Pats and did nothing, sorry to get on Lloyd is unfair, I doubt he would be questioned right now if he had Manning or Brady throwing him the ball.

And if he is that bad, well then blame Gibbs, he's the one who just had to have him.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's all Lloyds fault, we know Moss can play and what's happened to him this year? I just can't judge a WR in this offense with Campbell throwing to him, our offense is a joke to blame a reciever just isn't fair. Patten had some pretty nice numbers before he arrived from the Pats and did nothing, sorry to get on Lloyd is unfair, I doubt he would be questioned right now if he had Manning or Brady throwing him the ball.

And if he is that bad, well then blame Gibbs, he's the one who just had to have him.

I suppose Deion Branch and David Givens not panning out is Gibbs' and Campbell's fault too right? Nothing to do with the hall of fame quarterback they have up there.

If you think Lloyd would last 10 minutes on the Colts or Pats you are out of your mind. If it wasn't for that boondoggle of a signing bonus he would have been cut from this team last year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I suppose Deion Branch and David Givens not panning out is Gibbs' and Campbell's fault too right? Nothing to do with the hall of fame quarterback they have up there.

If you think Lloyd would last 10 minutes on the Colts or Pats you are out of your mind. If it wasn't for that boondoggle of a signing bonus he would have been cut from this team last year.

Well you kind of answered it for me, if it's not Gibbs fault then who? Gibbs is in charge of surrounding his WR's with quality players who can compliment their talents not hold them back. I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied, he's basically saying there is nothing they can do if they are not thrown the ball.

It's obvious you don't know a whole lot about the game, tell me how do you come to the conclusion that Branch and Givens were products of their QB, which is saying the QB made the WR's, and say Lloyd wouldn't obtain the same success if he had HOF QB's throwing him the ball? Wow your all over the place!


Whats your opinion on the fact that none of our WR's have caught a TD half way through the season? I guess all of our WR's are garbage even though Moss and EL are proven game breakers. Who's fault is that, Lloyds?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well you kind of answered it for me, if it's not Gibbs fault then who? Gibbs is in charge of surrounding his WR's with quality players who can compliment their talents not hold them back. I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied, he's basically saying there is nothing they can do if they are not thrown the ball.

It's obvious you don't know a whole lot about the game, tell me how do you come to the conclusion that Branch and Givens were products of their QB, which is saying the QB made the WR's, and say Lloyd wouldn't obtain the same success if he had HOF QB's throwing him the ball? Wow your all over the place!

Whats your opinion on the fact that none of our WR's have caught a TD half way through the season? I guess all of our WR's are garbage even though Moss and EL are proven game breakers. Who's fault is that, Lloyds?

Well it's obvious why everybody hates you. You are rude and your posts make no sense. I use my own method called statistical analysis to come to my conclusions. One, I look at the stats Branch and Givens posted in the Pats system. Two, I compare this to their stats after leaving. My conclusion was that their stats after leaving were worse - based on the numbers being lower - and that therefore it isn't necessarily Gibbs' fault that Patton underperformed in our system as well. Brady makes people look better than they actually are. You argued that Patton's failures here are evidence that Lloyd could succeed as well. I argued that Patriots receivers have typically fared worse after leaving that system, and that we can't glean anything about Lloyd based on Patton's numbers. Disagree if you will, but is it necessary to question my football knowledge?

The second point I was making was that Lloyd isn't the type of player who would make it through training camp on either team's roster for multiple reasons. Yes he would benefit from having Brady throw him the ball, as would any receiver, but he would never be awarded that opportunity because of his attitude and lack of discipline. Gibbs perhaps should be criticized for acquiring him, but if you read the title of this thread and the other posts you will see that this isn't one of the million threads arguing that we need a GM, it's questioning why fans are so hard on Lloyd.

Let's make a final deal. I will study football hard and try to get to your level of knowledge, and you can work on your English language skills. I am an English teacher by trade, and my foreign students have never uttered anything as nonsensical as "I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied." PM me and I can recommend some great ESL textbooks for you. With hard work you can improve too! SEE YOU!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Well it's obvious why everybody hates you. You are rude and your posts make no sense. I use my own method called statistical analysis to come to my conclusions. One, I look at the stats Branch and Givens posted in the Pats system. Two, I compare this to their stats after leaving. My conclusion was that their stats after leaving were worse - based on the numbers being lower - and that therefore it isn't necessarily Gibbs' fault that Patton underperformed in our system as well. Brady makes people look better than they actually are. You argued that Patton's failures here are evidence that Lloyd could succeed as well. I argued that Patriots receivers have typically fared worse after leaving that system, and that we can't glean anything about Lloyd based on Patton's numbers. Disagree if you will, but is it necessary to question my football knowledge?

The second point I was making was that Lloyd isn't the type of player who would make it through training camp on either team's roster for multiple reasons. Yes he would benefit from having Brady throw him the ball, as would any receiver, but he would never be awarded that opportunity because of his attitude and lack of discipline. Gibbs perhaps should be criticized for acquiring him, but if you read the title of this thread and the other posts you will see that this isn't one of the million threads arguing that we need a GM, it's questioning why fans are so hard on Lloyd.

Let's make a final deal. I will study football hard and try to get to your level of knowledge, and you can work on your English language skills. I am an English teacher by trade, and my foreign students have never uttered anything as nonsensical as "I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied." PM me and I can recommend some great ESL textbooks for you. With hard work you can improve too! SEE YOU!

Well you can't understand what you are watching I wouldn't expect you to understand what you are hearing either.

Yup you know Lloyd would never make it with either of those teams because of attitude and work ethic? Even though he worked his tail off in the off season, perhaps he's peeved because he did work his tail off for nothing?

Lets see what players with attitudes that would never make it with these teams? Lets just through Randy Moss out there for starters, let me know how he's making out this season so far? Corey Dillon had an attitude with the Bengals I think he worked out OK for the Pats, how about a know body you know like Wes Welker, who you ask? Well we were saying who before he arrived on a real team, now every one knows who he is don't they? Yup it's all Lloyds fault Gibbs has no fault in the failured offense that is ours?

You teach foreign students? That may be the problem your probably watching soccer on Sunday?