Redskins midterm grades

[irish]

I agree with all Matty's grades but he overlooked grading the coaches.

Def coaches: C. The D is good but not great and cant seem to really clamp down on a team to offset the terrible O.

Off coaches: F. Tons of talent but cant score. Sure line injuries have hurt but not enough to make the O this terrible.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree with all Matty's grades but he overlooked grading the coaches.

Def coaches: C. The D is good but not great and cant seem to really clamp down on a team to offset the terrible O.

Off coaches: F. Tons of talent but cant score. Sure line injuries have hurt but not enough to make the O this terrible.

You do realize that they are a top 10 defense, right? Are they dominant? Nope, but they're pretty damn good. Aside from the game against the Patriots, the Redskins defense is allowing opposing offenses to score, on average, just 13 points per game. I'm not sure what kind of standards you are holding them to, but whatever they are, they are too high.

[70Chip]

Long Snapper: A+ Put Allbright in the Ring of Fame now.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You do realize that they are a top 10 defense, right? Are they dominant? Nope, but they're pretty damn good. Aside from the game against the Patriots, the Redskins defense is allowing opposing offenses to score, on average, just 13 points per game. I'm not sure what kind of standards you are holding them to, but whatever they are, they are too high.

Outside of the Giants, Packers, & Pats games, the Skins are undefeated. Averages dont mean much. The Skins do have an average defense. The problem is they allow teams like the Jets to march down the field to tie the game. They cant really win a game by themselves either. I dont know what to say about holding the team to a high standard, maybe if more fans held this organization to a high standard the team might be a perennial playoff team instead of a perennial loser and excuse-maker.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

Outside of the Giants, Packers, & Pats games, the Skins are undefeated. Averages dont mean much. The Skins do have an average defense.

The Redskins defense allowed: (1) Miami's offense to score 13 points, when other defenses allow them to score 21 points; (2) Philly's offense to score 12 points, when other defenses allow them to score 20 points; (3) the NYG's offense to score 24 points, when other defenses allow them to score 25 points; (4) Detroit's offense to score 3 points, when other defenses allow them to score 25 points; (5) Green Bay's offense to score 10 points, when other defenses allow them to score 24 points; (6) Arizona's offense to score 19 points, when other defenses allow them to score 20; and (7) the Jets' offense to score 13 points, when other defenses allow them to score 18. In short, the Redskins defense are holding opposing offenses to about 9 fewer points per game than they score against other defenses.

I know you can't deal with stats, but I want to hear you come up with a persuasive argument as to why this team's defense is "average." If the Redskins defense is average, every other defense sucks goat testicles.

Originally Posted by irish

The problem is they allow teams like the Jets to march down the field to tie the game. They cant really win a game by themselves either.

In the end, they let the Jets score a whopping 13 points. Do you really expect the defense to single-handedly win games? Well if that is your measure of whether a defense is good, you'll never be happy.

Originally Posted by irish

I dont know what to say about holding the team to a high standard, maybe if more fans held this organization to a high standard the team might be a perennial playoff team instead of a perennial loser and excuse-maker.

Yes, if I personally hold them to a high standard, they will be a perennial winner. I, as a fan, can will a team to victory. I didn't know that I had such Jedi powers.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The Redskins defense allowed: (1) Miami's offense to score 13 points, when they average 21 points; (2) Philly's offense to score 12 points, when they average 20 points; (3) the NYG's offense to score 24 points, when they average 25 points; (4) Detroit's offense to score 3 points, when they average 25 points; (5) Green Bay's offense to score 10 points, when they average 24; (6) Arizona's offense to score 19 points, when they average 20; and (7) the Jets' offense to score 13 points, when they average 18. I know you can't deal with stats, but I want to hear you come up with a persuasive argument as to why this team's defense is "average." If the Redskins defense is average, every other defense sucks goat testicles.



In the end, they let the Jets score a whopping 13 points. Do you really expect the defense to single-handedly win games? Well if that is your measure of whether a defense is good, you'll never be happy.



Yes, if I personally hold them to a high standard, they will be a perennial winner. I, as a fan, can will a team to victory. I didn't know that I had such Jedi powers.

The Ravens D single-handedly won them a Super Bowl. A defense that can win like that for a team is not good, they are great.

I gave the defense a C (not an F) becuase I think they are average, not great and not bad. I guess you can call that good or average I dont really care what word you use.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

The Ravens D single-handedly won them a Super Bowl. A defense that can win like that for a team is not good, they are great.

I gave the defense a C (not an F) becuase I think they are average, not great and not bad. I guess you can call that good or average I dont really care what word you use.

You cannot honestly hold the Redskins defense up against the best defense of the modern era of football. You're right then, the Redskins defense is average. It just so happens that the vast majority of the other defenses in the league suck.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You cannot honestly hold the Redskins defense up against the best defense of the modern era of football. You're right then, the Redskins defense is average. It just so happens that the vast majority of the other defenses in the league suck.

Yeah, I mean if that's the standard we're holding defenses to then there hasn't been a good D in this league since 2000.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You cannot honestly hold the Redskins defense up against the best defense of the modern era of football. You're right then, the Redskins defense is average. It just so happens that the vast majority of the other defenses in the league suck.

I dont think I ever said I was holding the D to that standard. The Skins D does some things good and some things not so good, hence I gave them a C.

[Beemnseven]

The defense has been mostly good, but not lights out. Allowing Arizona and the Jets to creep back into the game takes them down a slight notch if you ask me -- and that's primarily in the pass defense.

Kellen Clemens looked like an All-Pro, and they let him complete way too many drive-sustaining third downs last week.

Good, but not 2004 good.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The defense has been mostly good, but not lights out. Allowing Arizona and the Jets to creep back into the game takes them down a slight notch if you ask me -- and that's primarily in the pass defense.

Kellen Clemens looked like an All-Pro, and they let him complete way too many drive-sustaining third downs last week.

Good, but not 2004 good.

True enough. This defense is not dominant, but they've been pretty good. I think they're pretty comparable to the 2005 defense, which was good enough to get us into the playoffs. If we can get the run game going on a consistent basis, we should be fine.

I must admit, however, that I am scared about the injuries to Rogers and Smoot. Rogers is, of course, on IR and Smoot's injury sounds fairly serious. I wonder if the defense will plunge without healthy #2 and #3 corners.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The defense has been mostly good, but not lights out. Allowing Arizona and the Jets to creep back into the game takes them down a slight notch if you ask me -- and that's primarily in the pass defense.

Kellen Clemens looked like an All-Pro, and they let him complete way too many drive-sustaining third downs last week.

Good, but not 2004 good.

its the play calling man ...

that damn 10 yd cusion made clemens look good .... All he pretty much did was throw those quick outs... so ... i think once again, with exception of the f'ing awesome blitzes williams called.... this play calling shit on both sides of the ball is startin to piss me off honestly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree with all Matty's grades but he overlooked grading the coaches.

Def coaches: C. The D is good but not great and cant seem to really clamp down on a team to offset the terrible O.

Off coaches: F. Tons of talent but cant score. Sure line injuries have hurt but not enough to make the O this terrible.

I was actually going to address the coaches in a seperate thread but I guess I might as well do it here.

Offense: Saunders was brought in to kickstart the offense and to date the transformation to a top flight offense hasn't materialized. A young QB and banged up OL undoubtedly are factors this year, but the offense overall still has Gibbs name all over it. Next year I think Saunders either needs to go or Gibbs needs to give him full autonomy. Grade: D

Defense: Williams has made a nice recovery from the disaster that was last year when the team set a NFL record low for turnovers. Through 8 games the team has already matched last year's sack and turnover numbers, and it's the defense that is mainly responsible for the team's 5-3 mark. Sorry but I don't have many complaints here, if the offense could pick up the pace a bit we could really be dangerous. Grade: B+

Special Teams: Suisham is hitting on 80% and has shown good distance on his kickoffs. Overall the kickoff coverage has been solid as well as the punt coverage. Frost has really cooled off after a nice start, he needs to get back on track. Randle El has been pretty ho-hum on punt returns, probably due to him being dinged up a bit. Cartwright has been great all around and is my pick for the special teams MVP so far. Grade: B