Decent Job Ramsey...And Now He Has Taylor Jacobs!

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry, wrong.

Ramsey was 8-12 as a starter for a winning % of .400. His QB rating here was 74.1.

Brunell was 16-19 including the playoffs for a winning % of .457. His QB rating here is 78.7.

Campbell is 7-8 for a winning % of .466. His QB rating is 75.6.

Nobody hates Ramsey, we just think he's nothing special.

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

What do you mean "the equivalent of" Do you just mean 22 games?

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean "the equivalent of" Do you just mean 22 games?

He played in 31 games, but often for only brief appearances. Brunell also had a few quarters off, which I have factored in. I haven't had to make adjustments for Campbell.

The interesting things to me are:

Ramsey's record with the Skins for the first 22 games is similiar to Elway's first 22.

Some people on this site insist that Ramsey was never a first-string calibre quarterback inspite of the fact that his record with the Skins was better than Green's, Gus', Jason's, Tony's, Shane's, Sage's, Mark's, etc.

Ramsey is the top Redskin ground gainer of the 21st century and actually played less than a season and a half.

Skins fan were generally in agreement that Ramsey was the Skins' offense and one of the best risings stars in the league until Gibbs brought in Brunell and Gibbs needed defending.

What followed was the greatest fan distortion of reality I have ever seen in sports. Ramsey had to be trashed so Gibbs could be an infallible God.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

He played in 31 games, but often for only brief appearances. Brunell also had a few quarters off, which I have factored in. I haven't had to make adjustments for Campbell.

The interesting things to me are:

Ramsey's record with the Skins for the first 22 games is similiar to Elway's first 22.

Some people on this site insist that Ramsey was never a first-string calibre quarterback inspite of the fact that his record with the Skins was better than Green's, Gus', Jason's, Tony's, Shane's, Sage's, Mark's, etc.

Ramsey is the top Redskin ground gainer of the 21st century and actually played less than a season and a half.

Skins fan were generally in agreement that Ramsey was the Skins' offense and one of the best risings stars in the league until Gibbs brought in Brunell and Gibbs needed defending.

What followed was the greatest fan distortion of reality I have ever seen in sports. Ramsey had to be trashed so Gibbs could be an infallible God.

So did you not count the games where he played only briefly?

The top ground gainer of the 21st century? What???

As for the whole "Ramsey had to be trashed" bull, that's not even worth discussing. It's beyond stupid.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So did you not count the games where he played only briefly?

The top ground gainer of the 21st century? What???

As for the whole "Ramsey had to be trashed" bull, that's not even worth discussing. It's beyond stupid.

C'mon wake up, didn't you know that Ramsey is also a nasty RB who lead the league in yardage a few years ago?!

LOL this thread is really getting hilarious.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

But that doesn't really argue Matty's point that if you had to rate them, solely on W/L and QB rating on what they had done, it breaks down like Brunell, Campbell, and then Ramsey.

Then you gave different objective evidence that is far more misleading than QB rating and W/L combined. Yards/G doesn't really tell us anything without more information, which because it works against your argument, you can't really give here.

You also completely ignored the presence of Laverneus Coles, and oversimplified the rest of the argument.

Advantage, Matty.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)

LOL are you for real?

I gave you their W-L records and QB ratings and you come back with a meaningless yardage argument?

Wow.

Well, I will give you credit for adding some stats to your argument (worthless as they may be) rather than just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

[724Skinsfan]

Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.

Sage observations!

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.

I was going to say it was more like arguing with a rock, but I see your point.

[bigmarley4]

Okay, let's talk about how nasty David Patten is in NO now!