Bill Cowher!!

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Of course there will be some change, but it wouldn't be as radical if they bring in someone from the outside.

Personally, I can see Williams taking over for a variety of reasons. For starters, if Gibbs stays on as team president he's going to have a significant say in the matter. I can't see Gibbs going after a so called "sexy" hire, I think he would want to minimize the changes as much as possible and hiring from within is the way to go in that respect.

The fact that Williams has stayed on when he could have easily jumped ship a few times for head coaching jobs around the league tells me that some sort of informal agreement may already be in place. Yes I know the $1M buyout that's in place on his contract really doesn't mean much considering we're talking about Snyder, but I still think it represents the fact that this idea has been discussed behind closed doors and some sort of arrangement may already be in place.

I dont think a young first time head coach would be a sexy hire. Tomlin was known to be head coach material but I wouldnt call him a sexy hire.

I think Skins fans have a somewhat skewed notion of GW's appeal to other teams as head coach. I dont really remember his name mentioned as a serious contender for any jobs last season, mentioned maybe but not seriously. I dont think GW is much of a hot item and believe he's still the Skins D coordinator because he didnt have any other options.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think a young first time head coach would be a sexy hire. Tomlin was known to be head coach material but I wouldnt call him a sexy hire.

I think Skins fans have a somewhat skewed notion of GW's appeal to other teams as head coach. I dont really remember his name mentioned as a serious contender for any jobs last season, mentioned maybe but not seriously. I dont think GW is much of a hot item and believe he's still the Skins D coordinator because he didnt have any other options.

Who says we would target a young first time hire anyway? I highly doubt we would go in that direction.

GW's name wasn't mentioned last year because he was basically viewed as being not available due to the extension he was given, and of course because the Skins had a horrible year defensively. Still, I'd be willing to bet his stock is still relatively high and he's still highly regarded. Hell, if Norv Turner can get chance after chance I see no reason why Williams wouldn't warrant a second chance. I'd find it very hard to believe that a coach with his resume wouldn't have any other options.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who says we would target a young first time hire anyway? I highly doubt we would go in that direction.

GW's name wasn't mentioned last year because he was basically viewed as being not available due to the extension he was given, and of course because the Skins had a horrible year defensively. Still, I'd be willing to bet his stock is still relatively high and he's still highly regarded. Hell, if Norv Turner can get chance after chance I see no reason why Williams wouldn't warrant a second chance. I'd find it very hard to believe that a coach with his resume wouldn't have any other options.

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

What Bozie says about stability is what I feel so I wont rehash that. I dont think the Skins are doomed if they dont go young but what I do think is that what they have been doing in terms of lots of coaching turn-over and hiring older coaches isnt working. Why not try something different? It cant work out any worse than what the team has been experiencing. Like the saying goes "if you keep on doing what you have always done, you will keep on getting what you always got." Lately the Skins have been getting crap.

I really dont see it happening though as danny likes to hire a "name" as coach to make a splash. Hiring a young unknown wont provide Danny with the kind of splash he likes.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Oakland Raiders 2006:

Points Scored: 168
Points Against: 332

Oakland Raiders 2007:

Points Scored: 152
Points Against: 177

With a very minor increase in offensive talent, Lane Kiffin has pretty much done in 8 games what it took the Raider offense 16 to do last year. Suffering a massive defensive regression, he's still managed to cut the 2-6 Raiders point differential to -25 over the first 8 games as coach, compared to the -164 it was last season.

It's too bad that the coach of the year award is really just the "surprise team award," because it's hard to make an argument against the job Lane Kiffin has done with an underachieving, talentless offensive unit. I'm not going to apologize for his inability to turn the Raiders into a world beater from the start, are you?

And in the case of Mangini, he inherited a team that's only asset was a good QB who was coming off a serious shoulder injury. He was every bit as bad as the worst teams last year, yet he beat them all, beat the f-ing Patriots on the road, and won ten games.

No coach is a miracle worker, but the younger coaches have recently had a great collective success rate, because they tend not to follow the bs coaching theories that are old and outdated and never worked in the first place. They are good coaches, because they tend to be ahead of the curve.

After all, isn't that how Gibbs got where he is?

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

Don't forget the wonderful job Cam Cameron is doing down in Miami...lol

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.

It's not like Spurrier had done anything at the NFL level when he was hired

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.

And that is completely untrue, because Snyder hasn't hired any young guys as a head coach for this team. He has hired Marty Schottenheimer (old guy), Steve Spurrier (not as old but not young nor proven in the NFL,) and Joe Gibbs (old guy.) Norv Turner had already been in Washington for about seven seasons and produced one good season for us. As for Steve Spurrier, he resigned after two seasons. The only guy (and I feel Turner doesn't count at this point,) that Snyder didn't have the patience for was Marty Schottenheimer.

Secondly, who's to say that Gibbs isn't hungry to win now? Just because he has been at the top of the NFL in the past, doesn't mean he can't ever have the fire to coach this team back to the top. If JG didn't have that fire and determination, he would've never gotten back into coaching. Please don't say, "it was all because of the money." Please, Joe Gibbs could've sat back with his Nascar team and made enough money for ten lifetimes.