Its time for joe to step down.

[GMScud]

To ask for Gibbs to step down midseason is about as ignorant of a suggestion as I can think of. That being said, we're clearly a poorly coached team. I know SmootSmack always reverts back to blaming the players for miscues - dumb penalties, drops, etc. But when it happens week after week, and we blow games repeatedly, that's a symptom of the coaching staff. No question.

We couldn't come up with a play call to get us a TD when we had 7 chances inside the 10 yard line. We carve them up all day and then we totally stall? Gibbs HAS TO BE taking over playcalling inside the red zone. We waste a timeout early in the 3rd on 4th & 1 only to kick a FG anyway? That timeout could have challenged McCardell's catch late (ruled incomplete) in the 4th. The list goes on.

The overall lack of fire in all aspects, the rapidly collapsing defense, the lack of fundamentals and inability to close- that comes down to coaching. I don't give a shit if we sing koombaya in the locker room and if we "fight our guts out." I want to win. We've been griping about allowing big plays, dumb penalties, bad play calling, poor clock management, and bad offense since the 1st game of Gibbs' return.

Bottom line, Joe Gibbs part 2 isn't working. It's just not. We're 3 1/2 years in and have all the same problems we've had since he took over. Nothing is getting better (except our QB). Remember folks, aside from that 5 game run in '05, we've been lower tier team his entire second tenure. You can never go home again.

IMO this year's Redskins team is on the low end of average.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I know SmootSmack always reverts back to blaming the players for miscues - dumb penalties, drops, etc. But when it happens week after week, and we blow games repeatedly, that's a symptom of the coaching staff. No question.

We couldn't come up with a play call to get us a TD when we had 7 chances inside the 10 yard line.

Gibbs can't be absolved for everything, but watching the game today I didn't see coaching cost us the game. You say that they couldn't come up with a play to score, well if Cooley can keep his ass from jumping offsides then Thrash scores TD #3 and Skins win. I saw MULTIPLE times when the Skins had the chance to make plays to help win the game (Smoot penalty on the first drive, that long pass to Reggie Brown that Pierson had covered and if McNabb made a good throw he would have had it, the two INTs Godfrey dropped, Cooley jumping offsides). You can look to coaching in some of the games this year, but the players lost the game today. I saw guys in position to win the game and fail to make the plays. All a coach can do is put you in position to make plays, you have to make the plays. I am sick about this game, but I truly do not see how you blame the coaches, except maybe for the clock management that left them without Time Outs.

This reactionary BS after every loss drives me f'ing crazy. Why doesn't anyone ever jump on the players for their shitty plays? If you ask me, there were multiple plays that cost them the game, but if you wanted to make it really simple and look at one single play that cost them the game it was Cooley jumping offsides that cost them a TD to put them game away. Why isn't anyone jumping on Cooley for his mistake?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Gibbs can't be absolved for everything, but watching the game today I didn't see coaching cost us the game. You say that they couldn't come up with a play to score, well if Cooley can keep his ass from jumping offsides then Thrash scores TD #3 and Skins win. I saw MULTIPLE times when the Skins had the chance to make plays to help win the game (Smoot penalty on the first drive, that long pass to Reggie Brown that Pierson had covered and if McNabb made a good throw he would have had it, the two INTs Godfrey dropped, Cooley jumping offsides). You can look to coaching in some of the games this year, but the players lost the game today. I saw guys in position to win the game and fail to make the plays. All a coach can do is put you in position to make plays, you have to make the plays. I am sick about this game, but I truly do not see how you blame the coaches, except maybe for the clock management that left them without Time Outs.

This reactionary BS after every loss drives me f'ing crazy. Why doesn't anyone ever jump on the players for their shitty plays? If you ask me, there were multiple plays that cost them the game, but if you wanted to make it really simple and look at one single play that cost them the game it was Cooley jumping offsides that cost them a TD to put them game away. Why isn't anyone jumping on Cooley for his mistake?

you cant be serious, Santana Moss was absolutely blasted after his game in Green Bay. Fans were asking for Portis' head before the past two games, the players are constantly rediculed while the coaching staff is left alone.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

you cant be serious, Santana Moss was absolutely blasted after his game in Green Bay. Fans were asking for Portis' head before the past two games, the players are constantly rediculed while the coaching staff is left alone.

I just don't really see any argument. Besides "he doesn't have that killer instinct" (what the hell does that mean exactly?) What is it exactly that Joe Gibbs did to lose the game today? I know everyone is pissed. I was pissed, my wife was pissed at me because I was such an asshole during the game, but I just don't see where you watched the game today and were like, Joe Gibbs has to go. Players didn't make plays. What genius play would you have called to score a TD inside of the 3 yard line? How could Gibbs have made different decisions to win the game? What exactly was it that Gibbs did to cost the Skins the game? I saw a bunch of players fail to make plays but I didn't see a coaching staff lose a game.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I just don't really see any argument. Besides "he doesn't have that killer instinct" (what the hell does that mean exactly?) What is it exactly that Joe Gibbs did to lose the game today? I know everyone is pissed. I was pissed, my wife was pissed at me because I was such an asshole during the game, but I just don't see where you watched the game today and were like, Joe Gibbs has to go. Players didn't make plays. What genius play would you have called to score a TD inside of the 3 yard line? How could Gibbs have made different decisions to win the game? What exactly was it that Gibbs did to cost the Skins the game? I saw a bunch of players fail to make plays but I didn't see a coaching staff lose a game.

I think it occured to me that he really has no idea whats going on when he decided to run a jumbo pack from the 8 yard line, and then continue to do so 6 times in a row.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I just don't really see any argument. Besides "he doesn't have that killer instinct" (what the hell does that mean exactly?) What is it exactly that Joe Gibbs did to lose the game today? I know everyone is pissed. I was pissed, my wife was pissed at me because I was such an asshole during the game, but I just don't see where you watched the game today and were like, Joe Gibbs has to go. Players didn't make plays. What genius play would you have called to score a TD inside of the 3 yard line? How could Gibbs have made different decisions to win the game? What exactly was it that Gibbs did to cost the Skins the game? I saw a bunch of players fail to make plays but I didn't see a coaching staff lose a game.

There were two series at the goaline where we could have BURIED them. Case closed, game over.

He chose to kick meaningless fieldgoals.

Last time I checked, he won his first SuperBowl by going for it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

There were two series at the goaline where we could have BURIED them. Case closed, game over.

He chose to kick meaningless fieldgoals.

Last time I checked, he won his first SuperBowl by going for it.

We should have scored a TD.

Joe Gibbs is like the 35th most highest person on that list regarding failure to score in that situation. Lots of blame to go around. If we couldn't score in 3 plays, what makes you think the 4th would be the charm?

Here's the big point though: the field goal STILL should have been enough to win. That's a five point lead with 4 mins to go and no timeouts. It doesn't take a very good defensive effort to hold the lead.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We should have scored a TD.

Joe Gibbs is like the 35th most highest person on that list regarding failure to score in that situation. Lots of blame to go around. If we couldn't score in 3 plays, what makes you think the 4th would be the charm?

Here's the big point though: the field goal STILL should have been enough to win. That's a five point lead with 4 mins to go and no timeouts. It doesn't take a very good defensive effort to hold the lead.

Bottom line, fourth quarter 4 minutes and change left. They run 50 gut, it's over. I firmly believe that. No, we have to run right. Lose 2 yards and are forced into a pass. Dance with who brung you. You would think a Hall of Famer would realize that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Gibbs can't be absolved for everything, but watching the game today I didn't see coaching cost us the game. You say that they couldn't come up with a play to score, well if Cooley can keep his ass from jumping offsides then Thrash scores TD #3 and Skins win. I saw MULTIPLE times when the Skins had the chance to make plays to help win the game (Smoot penalty on the first drive, that long pass to Reggie Brown that Pierson had covered and if McNabb made a good throw he would have had it, the two INTs Godfrey dropped, Cooley jumping offsides). You can look to coaching in some of the games this year, but the players lost the game today. I saw guys in position to win the game and fail to make the plays. All a coach can do is put you in position to make plays, you have to make the plays. I am sick about this game, but I truly do not see how you blame the coaches, except maybe for the clock management that left them without Time Outs.

This reactionary BS after every loss drives me f'ing crazy. Why doesn't anyone ever jump on the players for their shitty plays? If you ask me, there were multiple plays that cost them the game, but if you wanted to make it really simple and look at one single play that cost them the game it was Cooley jumping offsides that cost them a TD to put them game away. Why isn't anyone jumping on Cooley for his mistake?

First off SC, every week I jump on the players. But I said I'm tired of excuses. And when week in and week out we have clock management issues, questionable play calling, and basic fundamental breakdowns, and all we do is say, "well if this and if that..." IF WHAT?? We didn't get it done AGAIN, we didn't close out a game we had in hand AGAIN, and at some point that has to fall squarely in the lap of the coaching staff. It's the same shit over and over again. And it's been that way for 3+ years.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

First off SC, every week I jump on the players. But I said I'm tired of excuses. And when week in and week out we have clock management issues, questionable play calling, and basic fundamental breakdowns, and all we do is say, "well if this and if that..." IF WHAT?? We didn't get it done AGAIN, we didn't close out a game we had in hand AGAIN, and at some point that has to fall squarely in the lap of the coaching staff. It's the same shit over and over again. And it's been that way for 3+ years.

But isn't blaming the coaching staff the same type of excuse as blaming the players? It's just based on far less evidence.