Its time for joe to step down.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.

I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here.

Very well put. People are mad because the way JC had been performing. He was having a great day and you take the ball out of his hands? For what??? The draw play was simply a terrible terrible call. If it was on the 3-4 yard line then fine. But 7 yards is too far.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

Good post

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.

I didn't have a problem w/ Godfrey's play. He's a LB with stone hands. And PP is another back-up so I'll give that one to Reggie Brown. But you are right on w/ Springs. That's another one that just killed us. One of our best players getting that on a 2-20 is just crazy. So people ( including myself) can bitch and moan about the jumbo BS but in the end 3 of our best, and highest paid guys let us down.