The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

And to me, it's harder to win games defensively (especially at the end of games) rather than winning it by the offense. You just have more control over the score on offense.

That's definitely true, but we put up 25 points on only 8 drives yesterday.

Point is, if a team loses a shootout, you still have to look at the defense for not stopping the other offense. Obviously in a loss, neither unit was perfect, but if one is close, and one is nowhere near close, which unit needs to be corrected first?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's definitely true, but we put up 25 points on only 8 drives yesterday.

Point is, if a team loses a shootout, you still have to look at the defense for not stopping the other offense. Obviously in a loss, neither unit was perfect, but if one is close, and one is nowhere near close, which unit needs to be corrected first?

I don't disagree that the defense didn't play well yesterday, but at some point, the offense needs to win the game without the luxury of the defense playing lights out. Even with the defense making several mistakes, they managed at least one big play (forced fumble) and kept the game within range.

Just look at the eyes of the offensive players at the end of the game - does that look like fire, hunger, and confidence in their eyes? The only player that may have that look is Portis right now.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't disagree that the defense didn't play well yesterday, but at some point, the offense needs to win the game without the luxury of the defense playing lights out. Even with the defense making several mistakes, they managed at least one big play (forced fumble) and kept the game within range.

Just look at the eyes of the offensive players at the end of the game - does that look like fire, hunger, and confidence in their eyes? The only player that may have that look is Portis right now.

A 5 point lead with 4 mins to go should hold if your defense is any good whatsoever. One of the biggest advantages you have is that FG range is eliminated from the consideration. As they get closer to the end zone, it gets tougher and tougher to score.

You just have to HAVE to stop the big play. The game was calculated PERFECTLY until that point. GW made the wrong call, the players made a bad play and we lost, just like that.

The execution just has to be better.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A 5 point lead with 4 mins to go should hold if your defense is any good whatsoever. One of the biggest advantages you have is that FG range is eliminated from the consideration. As they get closer to the end zone, it gets tougher and tougher to score.

You just have to HAVE to stop the big play. The game was calculated PERFECTLY until that point. GW made the wrong call, the players made a bad play and we lost, just like that.

The execution just has to be better.

Like I said, of course the defense didn't play well. And I know there's no convincing you, but there has to be a point where the offense just wins the game when given the chance. You can't rely on the defense at the end of the game to hold the other team, especially the way they were playing yesterday.

I think the expectation for the offense to just score enough points to get by and let the defense win the game is bullshit. For all the yards and points the offense scored yesterday - it doesn't mean shit until it can actually win a damn game. The frustation comes from patiently waiting half of a season without seeing that.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think the expectation for the offense to just score enough points to get by and let the defense win the game is bullshit. For all the yards and points the offense scored yesterday - it doesn't mean shit until it can actually win a damn game. The frustation comes from patiently waiting half of a season without seeing that.

We scored 25 points yesterday. There are only 5 teams in the entire NFL who average more than that per game. If you can't win with 25 points, it's DEFINITELY the defense's fault. No question.

For the record, I voted Penalties. I disagree with other posters who said, "its part of the game." In my opinion, there is never an excuse for a penalty.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

We scored 25 points yesterday. There are only 5 teams in the entire NFL who average more than that per game. If you can't win with 25 points, it's DEFINITELY the defense's fault. No question.

For the record, I voted Penalties. I disagree with other posters who said, "its part of the game." In my opinion, there is never an excuse for a penalty.

It's so black and white with some of the fans. The defense have stepped up, made big plays, and won games this season- that's something I can't say about the offense. The offense have actually lost at least one game for the redskins. So the offense puts up so-so number of points, so what.. it's not the first team to 25 that wins the game.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

It's so black and white with some of the fans. The defense have stepped up, made big plays, and won games this season- that's something I can't say about the offense. The offense have actually lost at least one game for the redskins. So the offense puts up so-so number of points, so what.. it's not first to 25 that wins.

I'm talking about yesterday -- not the other previous games we played. Yesterday's loss was totally on the defense.

You call 25 points, "so-so," but there are only 5 teams out of 32 who average more than that per game. That is 15% of the league. The Redskins have to produce more than 85% of the league on offensive in order to be better than "so-so"?

You're right, it's not first to 25 that wins. However, you are saying more points would win. So, is it first to 35 that wins? Bottomline: if you can't win with 25 points, your defense isn't doing it's job -- for that game. Don't bring up the other games where the defense played well, in an effort to blame the offense for yesterday's loss.

[JLee9718]

We lost to the Eagles simply because the coaches are so indecisive that it's pitiful, and not coming up with quick decisions gets transferred onto the playing field. I don't see a logical game plan after the first half of any game, and this has been going on for four years. Gibbs needs to be called on the carpet and held accountable. Gibbs is a nice guy, but he's not the same person who coached the Redskins to three Superbowl wins.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Two words here:

Time - - - Management


After wasting two timeouts to prevent delay of game penalties - - in THEIR OWN STADIUM - - the braintrust on the sidelines decided to spend the last timeout challenging a call that was so obviously not going to be overturned. Who was up in the booth looking at replays telling Joe Gibbs to toss that red flag on the field? Stevie Wonder?

All the options presented here contributed to this embarrassing - and unnecesssary - loss. But you have to add Time Management to the equation too.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

After wasting two timeouts to prevent delay of game penalties - - in THEIR OWN STADIUM - - the braintrust on the sidelines decided to spend the last timeout challenging a call that was so obviously not going to be overturned. Who was up in the booth looking at replays telling Joe Gibbs to toss that red flag on the field? Stevie Wonder?

I'm a staunch Gibbs supporter, but these clock management issues definitely need to get worked out. I was pounding my fist on the bar when we took our second timeout. Gibbs gets a pass for the challenge, but we seriously need to find a new guy up in the booth. We've got to have one of the worst success rates on challenges in the league.