Its time for joe to step down.

[Schneed10]

With regards to Joe Gibbs I am indeed beginning to lose my patience. See, Gibbs is not just coach, but team president as well. It's not like we have a GM we can blame this on. Gibbs has been in charge of player acquisition the past four years, with Dan Snyder sitting back. Let's face it, we've all praised Snyder for finally allowing someone to handle football operations.

I absolutely can't find fault with Gibbs' coaching. But you know what's putting our November and December in dire straits? Depth. We've lost linemen, CBs, WRs, and now Sean Taylor who is the absolute keystone to our defense. And now our player well is running dry. Now I can see how it's unreasonable to expect any team to do well under these injury circumstances. But Gibbs is an elite coach. His clock management is off, but he's still motivating guys like the best of em. Elite teams are coached by elite coaches, and we're not elite because we can't cope with the injuries.

Why can't we cope? Because our team president made brilliant moves such as trading for TJ Duckett, trading for Brandon Lloyd, signing Adam Archuleta to a ridiculous contract, and eschewing draft picks in the process. We don't have depth because we don't have any mid round picks on our team.

Gibbs the coach is doing great in my opinion. He's taking a solid team and rescuing them from the depths of injury hell, producing a mediocre product. But the reason he can't do any better than that is because Gibbs the team president hasn't helped Gibbs the coach enough.

Unfortunately, you have to judge the complete package. With Snyder in the background, there's nobody else to point to.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With regards to Joe Gibbs I am indeed beginning to lose my patience. See, Gibbs is not just coach, but team president as well. It's not like we have a GM we can blame this on. Gibbs has been in charge of player acquisition the past four years, with Dan Snyder sitting back. Let's face it, we've all praised Snyder for finally allowing someone to handle football operations.

I absolutely can't find fault with Gibbs' coaching. But you know what's putting our November and December in dire straits? Depth. We've lost linemen, CBs, WRs, and now Sean Taylor who is the absolute keystone to our defense. And now our player well is running dry. Now I can see how it's unreasonable to expect any team to do well under these injury circumstances. But Gibbs is an elite coach. His clock management is off, but he's still motivating guys like the best of em. Elite teams are coached by elite coaches, and we're not elite because we can't cope with the injuries.

Why can't we cope? Because our team president made brilliant moves such as trading for TJ Duckett, trading for Brandon Lloyd, signing Adam Archuleta to a ridiculous contract, and eschewing draft picks in the process. We don't have depth because we don't have any mid round picks on our team.

Gibbs the coach is doing great in my opinion. He's taking a solid team and rescuing them from the depths of injury hell, producing a mediocre product. But the reason he can't do any better than that is because Gibbs the team president hasn't helped Gibbs the coach enough.

Unfortunately, you have to judge the complete package. With Snyder in the background, there's nobody else to point to.

Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

LOL! Can you move mine too SS? Cuz I was replying back to Schneed in the other thread.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! Can you move mine too SS? Cuz I was replying back to Schneed in the other thread.

I just PM'd you

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

I hear ya! I'm just hoping whoever we have left to step up will do so starting this week.

[SmootSmack]

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

Yeah, pretty much.

We really have invested so much in the secondary over the years. It's a shame that we are so reliant on it's dominance. Normally, I'd be very happy with Landry, Smoot, Springs, and Prioleau in the secondary. That's a lot better than the Rogers, Wright, Taylor, and Vernon Fox we were playing with last year. The problem is this team set the bar really high for itself at the beginning of the year, but doesn't have the talent anymore to fulfill these expectations.

I said at the beginning of the year on this here fourm that the Redskins had a better chance to beat the Eagles on the road in Week 2 than they did at home in Week 10. The difference in depth between these two teams is mind boggling. We were able to get them when we had a healthy defense, but as the season began to sap our players, there became a point in which the Eagles passed us in the level of talent they had on the field. Seems like the only position(s) where we have them now is MLB, TE, and arguably Quarterback. Back in September, we had them on the offensive line, at the receivers, in the secondary, and even on the defensive line. They just have solid depth at those positions and we do not.

We still have a one game lead on them and they still have a way tougher schedule down the stretch so we should stay ahead of them.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

Prioleau is a good blitzer, but is ordinary in coverage. Arch was supposedly a good blitzer and ordinary in coverage, but ended up blowing at both.

Perhaps Grilliams will consider sending Prioleau on blitzes while keeping Landry in coverage.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

I think there are two significant reasons for that, and they kind of go hand in hand.

1) Taylor is playing like the best safety in the NFL right now. He's intercepting a lot of passes and knocking down plenty more.

2) GW changed his defensive scheme with Taylor in mind. Taylor sits back playing center field because he's got that crazy range.

Our scheme is now much more reliant on Taylor's abilities than it was last year. That's why this hurts so much. If he's not back there, GW needs to re-adjust his scheme a bit, we'll have to gamble more and send the blitz.

[scowan]

This from the Tuesday Morning Quarterback today.

Stat of the Week No. 8: Since his return to the NFL, Joe Gibbs is only 17-13 when the Redskins lead at halftime.

Joe is really putting teams away isn't he!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

Playoffs or no playoffs, this won't be the year the Redskins return to glory.

Nothing glorious about being the 6th seed in the NFC at 9-7...but it does mean more football, which should be the goal at this point. Just last as long as you can.

Anyway, you already know I agree with you on the personnel moves. The logic behind those were very straightforward, the only problem was the only scouting done on them was asking Al Saunders what he thought of them. We brought Saunders in here, treated him like a godsend offensive mastermind, and got burned. Now we keep him in his corner and let him run practice and make game plans. He doesn't really have Gibbs' trust in personnel imput though.

Trying to acquire a power back, a receiver with reputation of an up and comer, and an established safety with a rep for being a big hitter seemed good in theory at the time, but the team simply acted before doing their homework. Over the next few seasons, we will feel the effects of those moves.