Pourin' Some Kool-Aid for My Homeys, Redskins Will Beat Dallas

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I don't think anyone is afraid to point fingers at Campbell's performance. Most of us are just willing to let him take his lumps since he's been showing promise.

And considering he's just recently started his 16th game, I think he's ahead of schedule when compared to a lot of other young starters like Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, etc.

Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JC has 16 starts under his belt now... when is he going to develop into a good QB?? I guess you missed last week? He's well on his way.

I honestly don't understand anyone who can look at what he's done so far and not come away pleased with his progress.

Good QBs, IMO at least, will take advantage of mistakes and mis-reads of the other team's D. JC seems to miss some wide open receivers or throw it where the receiver has a slim chance of catching it. Yes, he doesn't throw it into tight coverage, and that is very much evident in his INT numbers. Sometimes in every game, though, you have to take chances. You can't just play it safe all the time and throw passes where either your guy will get it or no one will.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.

Because that's unrealistic. Every year, there are about 10 new starters for teams around the league. Out of those 10, maybe one emerges as an instant success. Last year it was Romo, this year it appears to be Anderson. I have don't care that Campbell didn't immediately light the world on fire. He's showing tremendous potiential and I think he'll be able to put up Roethlisberger or Palmer type numbers very soon.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.

What sense does it make to compare someone with 16 career starts to someone like Brady who's an 8 year veteran??

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What sense does it make to compare someone with 16 career starts to someone like Brady who's an 8 year veteran??

I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.

See my response.

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Because that's unrealistic. Every year, there are about 10 new starters for teams around the league. Out of those 10, maybe one emerges as an instant success. Last year it was Romo, this year it appears to be Anderson. I have don't care that Campbell didn't immediately light the world on fire. He's showing tremendous potiential and I think he'll be able to put up Roethlisberger or Palmer type numbers very soon.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

See my response.

I know you got it, I wast trying to tell him that.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.

That's an unfair comparison. Brady and Roethlisberger both played for great teams. Campbell compares quite favorably to young QBs of teams stuck in the mediocre middle of the NFL. I've seen enough to feel that Campbell will be a star in this league.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

That's an unfair comparison. Brady and Roethlisberger both played for great teams. Campbell compares quite favorably to young QBs of teams stuck in the mediocre middle of the NFL. I've seen enough to feel that Campbell will be a star in this league.

Pittsburgh was not a great team when Roethlisberger was inserted into the starting line-up. Maddox made the team look average at best. Ben helped them win games and led them to a championship.

Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Pittsburgh was not a great team when Roethlisberger was inserted into the starting line-up. Maddox made the team look average at best. Ben helped them win games and led them to a championship.

Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.

Pittsburgh had an outstanding O-line, a still-productive Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Randle El and a pretty damn strong D when Roethlisberger was a rookie. Of course Ben was a huge upgrade from Tommy Maddox, as Jason Campbell would be over Maddox as well.

As for mediocrity, I'd say that the Skins have pretty well defined the term for the last 15 years with the exception of '99 and '05. I don't think it's fair to pin all offensive shortcomings this season on Campbell given the O-line injuries plus Moss's week to week status being up in the air.

A final point, you lumped Campbell's overthrows in your earlier criticism of his decision making. Making a good read but a poor throw does not constitute a poor decision - that is a breakdown in execution. He executed deep throws beautifully to Thrash twice and Randle El (a drop) this past game.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Pittsburgh had an outstanding O-line, a still-productive Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Randle El and a pretty damn strong D when Roethlisberger was a rookie. Of course Ben was a huge upgrade from Tommy Maddox, as Jason Campbell would be over Maddox as well.

As for mediocrity, I'd say that the Skins have pretty well defined the term for the last 15 years with the exception of '99 and '05. I don't think it's fair to pin all offensive shortcomings this season on Campbell given the O-line injuries plus Moss's week to week status being up in the air.

A final point, you lumped Campbell's overthrows in your earlier criticism of his decision making. Making a good read but a poor throw does not constitute a poor decision - that is a breakdown in execution. He executed deep throws beautifully to Thrash twice and Randle El (a drop) this past game.

While it is true that the O line has been decimated with injuries, that shouldn't be used as an excuse. The guys that replaced them didn't fall of the turnip truck, I am sure they played football before.

You are right the JC shouldn't be blamed for all the offensive shortcomings, but at least for some. Everyone tends to omit him from the blame game that goes around after a loss. He seems to be protected from any criticism.

About his execution, I just can't forget the wide open Moss who beat the Jets DB and JC simply overthrew him. Lloyd was open last game and could have had a touchdown if the ball was thrown better. Like I said before, JC throws those deep passes with one thing in mind "no INTs".

Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.

Without Taylor the defense is very average. The schemes we were using were designed around his abilities. It will be tough to deal with the Cowboys passing game with that limitation. I can't imagine a worse injury to have going in to this game.

If we are to have a chance we need Dallas to mail this one in like they did against Buffalo AND get some extra luck to go with it.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Without Taylor the defense is very average. The schemes we were using were designed around his abilities. It will be tough to deal with the Cowboys passing game with that limitation. I can't imagine a worse injury to have going in to this game.

If we are to have a chance we need Dallas to mail this one in like they did against Buffalo AND get some extra luck to go with it.

Is it just me, or does it seem that whenever we lose just one guy on defense everything falls apart? Last year it was Springs, and the D completely collapsed. Against Philly, Sean Taylor goes out, and the Eagles are running up and down the field practially at will.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.
Good QBs, IMO at least, will take advantage of mistakes and mis-reads of the other team's D. JC seems to miss some wide open receivers or throw it where the receiver has a slim chance of catching it. Yes, he doesn't throw it into tight coverage, and that is very much evident in his INT numbers. Sometimes in every game, though, you have to take chances. You can't just play it safe all the time and throw passes where either your guy will get it or no one will.

it seems to be forgotten, Campbell has only played 1 full season. The reads he seems miss right now come with time. No one in their 1st full season is like a seasoned vet reading all the coverages and mistakes. Campbell to me is a very good young QB. He is doing what is being asked of him. He plays in a very conservative offense and has limited shots at making things happen down the field. He has shown when given the opportunities to throw more than usual he is more than capable of making plays. Problem is Joe doesn't want him throwing the ball 30 to 35 times a game. he looked to be in good rhythm against Philly for the most part of the game, especially when they spread it out.
Another thing to concider is we dont have that 6'2'' + receiver to go up and get the ball for Jason to throw one or two of those types of passes per game. Teams like NE, Dallas have those big receivers that can out jump the DB's. Nothing against Moss, but he's as tall as most of the DB's and I personally wouldn't be comfortable with those toss up passes. Joe showed more confidence in him this week as far as throwing the ball more, and calling his own plays in hurry up, that hopefully we can build on that week to week. We have the potential of putting some points up on the board, if Jason is allowed to play the QB position.