Pourin' Some Kool-Aid for My Homeys, Redskins Will Beat Dallas

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Pittsburgh had an outstanding O-line, a still-productive Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Randle El and a pretty damn strong D when Roethlisberger was a rookie. Of course Ben was a huge upgrade from Tommy Maddox, as Jason Campbell would be over Maddox as well.

As for mediocrity, I'd say that the Skins have pretty well defined the term for the last 15 years with the exception of '99 and '05. I don't think it's fair to pin all offensive shortcomings this season on Campbell given the O-line injuries plus Moss's week to week status being up in the air.

A final point, you lumped Campbell's overthrows in your earlier criticism of his decision making. Making a good read but a poor throw does not constitute a poor decision - that is a breakdown in execution. He executed deep throws beautifully to Thrash twice and Randle El (a drop) this past game.

While it is true that the O line has been decimated with injuries, that shouldn't be used as an excuse. The guys that replaced them didn't fall of the turnip truck, I am sure they played football before.

You are right the JC shouldn't be blamed for all the offensive shortcomings, but at least for some. Everyone tends to omit him from the blame game that goes around after a loss. He seems to be protected from any criticism.

About his execution, I just can't forget the wide open Moss who beat the Jets DB and JC simply overthrew him. Lloyd was open last game and could have had a touchdown if the ball was thrown better. Like I said before, JC throws those deep passes with one thing in mind "no INTs".

Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

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Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?

Of that group, I only see Leinart possibly ending up on par with Campbell, since he has 2 great WRs plus a 6'8" TE that the Arizona offense is just beginning to discover. Give Campbell another year in this offense, and I believe you'll see him make that quantum leap. He threw the ball with accuracy and confidence against Philly, so I'm hoping Saunders/Gibbs start to give him more freedom to make plays.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

While it is true that the O line has been decimated with injuries, that shouldn't be used as an excuse. The guys that replaced them didn't fall of the turnip truck, I am sure they played football before.

You are right the JC shouldn't be blamed for all the offensive shortcomings, but at least for some. Everyone tends to omit him from the blame game that goes around after a loss. He seems to be protected from any criticism.

About his execution, I just can't forget the wide open Moss who beat the Jets DB and JC simply overthrew him. Lloyd was open last game and could have had a touchdown if the ball was thrown better. Like I said before, JC throws those deep passes with one thing in mind "no INTs".

Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?

I think JC has showed more a lot more promise than Leinart, Alex Smith, and Jay Cutler. He's certainly playing much better right now than Madden coverboy Vince Young. He has a rifle arm and is steadily improving. Plus, inside the redzone his numbers are spectacular. Brady-esque. Redzone: He has 9TDs passing, 1 rushing TD, 64% completions, 0 INTs, and a rating of 115.7. That's poise.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs in his first 16 games. Campbell has 19 TDs and only 13 INTs in his first 16. "When is he going to develop into a good QB" you ask? Umm, turn on the TV each Sunday. It's happening.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think JC has showed more a lot more promise than Leinart, Alex Smith, and Jay Cutler. He's certainly playing much better right now than Madden coverboy Vince Young. He has a rifle arm and is steadily improving. Plus, inside the redzone his numbers are spectacular. Brady-esque. Redzone: He has 9TDs passing, 1 rushing TD, 64% completions, 0 INTs, and a rating of 115.7. That's poise.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs in his first 16 games. Campbell has 19 TDs and only 13 INTs in his first 16. "When is he going to develop into a good QB" you ask? Umm, turn on the TV each Sunday. It's happening.

Ok, so in 9 games he has nine red-zone TDs, that is great. I am sure he will be on many people's pro-bowl ballot.

Now, sarcasm asaide, you are not the only one to mention Manning's 28 INTs. Yeah yeah, I know, I know. But how come you talk about JC's 19 TDs and not say a thing about Manning's 26 TDs. Or what about the 700 passing yards that Manning had over JC? To me those numbers say one thing, he was trying to win, and if that meant more INTs, then be it.

Read my earlier posts, I did say that JC is playing not to lose the game. Whether that is his fault or the coaches call is a different issue.

[SmootSmack]

Well a bet's a bet. That's ok. I wouldn't change a thing (except the final score of course). I'm not happy we lost but I'm not going to stop being positive and believing in my team. I don't have to rationalize it, convert anyone, or apologize for it.

(man, I hope we win next week. I'm nervous)

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well a bet's a bet. That's ok. I wouldn't change a thing (except the final score of course). I'm not happy we lost but I'm not going to stop being positive and believing in my team. I don't have to rationalize it, convert anyone, or apologize for it.

(man, I hope we win next week. I'm nervous)

Man, that is one beautiful signature.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Ok, so in 9 games he has nine red-zone TDs, that is great. I am sure he will be on many people's pro-bowl ballot.

Now, sarcasm asaide, you are not the only one to mention Manning's 28 INTs. Yeah yeah, I know, I know. But how come you talk about JC's 19 TDs and not say a thing about Manning's 26 TDs. Or what about the 700 passing yards that Manning had over JC? To me those numbers say one thing, he was trying to win, and if that meant more INTs, then be it.

Read my earlier posts, I did say that JC is playing not to lose the game. Whether that is his fault or the coaches call is a different issue.

I'm not saying they are worthy of exact comparison. I just think it's important to note JC's redzone excellence as well as a very strong TD/INT ratio for a QB who has started 16 (now 17) games. You had asked "when is he going to develop..." I think my answer was sufficient.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm not saying they are worthy of exact comparison. I just think it's important to note JC's redzone excellence as well as a very strong TD/INT ratio for a QB who has started 16 (now 17) games. You had asked "when is he going to develop..." I think my answer was sufficient.

Now, I can say that he has arrived. I live in the DC area and got watch all the Skins games. I just didn't see much from him untill yesterday.

Given the chance, JC can grow into a very good QB.