Who's the third best quarterback in the NFL right now?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Aren't you forgetting a certain defending champ?

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

Well, who are some other quarterbacks you think are overrated because their weapons are too good? What do they have in common with Manning?

Also, how can you ignore the weapons Brady has now?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, who are some other quarterbacks you think are overrated because their weapons are too good? What do they have in common with Manning?

Also, how can you ignore the weapons Brady has now?

I think you gotta look at their body of work. Brady has had some serious scrubs and still put up great numbers and won (Caldwell, Patten,etc). McNabb has only ever had one dominating WR and is consistently a top tier QB (sorry Thrash is underrated and one of my favorite players but he's not a top level threat). I think any good qb needs players around him and few guys can succeed with no help. But I can't think of any other qb in history that has been given so much credit for his teammates exceptional talent (a close one might be Gannon in Oakland a few years ago, but even then.)
I'm not saying that he's not been a top fifteen qb every year, just that he's not the best, 2nd best or even top 5 right now.
And this doesn't even take into account that OLine. Put him on the Falcons or Dolphins. Would his QB rating be over 75?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.

So I guess that fact the Colts made it to the playoffs with a bottom tier defense last season had nothing to do with Peyton Manning... or the fact that the Colts have only lost nine games in the last three seasons, with an average or worse defense?

If the only required pieces for a Superbowl victory are great receivers, why haven't the Cardinals, Lions, or Cowboys won a Superbowl recently? Yeah, Peyton sucks...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

What you left off of your equation with Peyton is that they have to get through the Pats to win a SB and if the Pats were not in their way I think he would have one more SB.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

Just to clarify, you're talking about the Bengals team and Chris Henry, correct? Because his top two targets never get into any legal trouble.

As for Peyton...I agree he has very good weapons, but I still think he's the passer in the league. I would probably take Tom Brady over him right now, simply based on his leadership and I don't think there's a huge gap in ability, but Peyton is still the best passer and one of the smartest players to ever play the game. While I may be sick of him because he's overexposed, (could he do any more commercials?!) he's still the best there is.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

Pretty worthless argument here if you ask me. Take away any QB's top target and they will struggle. Not sure I get the sexual misconduct stuff, I guess just a lame attempt to be funny?

P. Manning has one of the most impressive QB resumes in NFL history. That simply cannot be disputed.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Pretty worthless argument here if you ask me. Take away any QB's top target and they will struggle. Not sure I get the sexual misconduct stuff, I guess just a lame attempt to be funny?

P. Manning has one of the most impressive QB resumes in NFL history. That simply cannot be disputed.

He was accused of sexually harrassing a female trainer his sophomore year (she was paid by Tennessee and it was dropped) and then another woman said he groped her his junior year several times. It was all he said she said stuff which is why I don't know how much to believe.
My original post also didn't say he sucks or that he isn't great, just not the best in the league. I'd consistently take Favre, Brady or Palmer over him.