Redskins at Bucs game thread

[paulskinsfan]

Its time for the Kool Aid drinkers to move on and admit that Gibbs 2.0 is a total failure.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Its time for the Kool Aid drinkers to move on and admit that Gibbs 2.0 is a total failure.

Name me 1 damn coach that could make this team better than what it is with the SLEW of Pro bowl caliber players that are injured. I can't name one. Even if you're a Belichik dick sucker, you should realize that our injuries are too massive in many cases. What Joe has done is made this team a competitive team week in and week out dispite our shortcomings (injuries / young qb leader).

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Name me 1 damn coach that could make this team better than what it is with the SLEW of Pro bowl caliber players that are injured. I can't name one. Even if you're a Belichik dick sucker, you should realize that our injuries are too massive in many cases. What Joe has done is made this team a competitive team week in and week out dispite our shortcomings (injuries / young qb leader).

Ever heard of Tony Dungy? Yeah, him.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Ever heard of Tony Dungy? Yeah, him.

LOL...whatever...did you happen to notice his mini collapse after losing a couple guys to injury???? I love Dungy, but come on.

The correct answer is NO ONE. You can't lose that many pro bowl caliber players and be a great team...just can't happen.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Ever heard of Tony Dungy? Yeah, him.

good call

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Its time for the Kool Aid drinkers to move on and admit that Gibbs 2.0 is a total failure.

So what do you suggest? Fire Gibbs? Wasn't the big complaint prior to Gibbs 2.0 that there was no stability because of Snyder? I'm all for POSITIVE change, but to declare Gibbs 2.0 a "total failure" and $***can him is pretty inaccurate and would do accomplish nothing but damaging the franchise further. Gibbs wasn't exactly handed a Superbowl contender 4 seasons ago.

Have there been mistakes made by Gibbs, absolutely? But, I think a majority of the problems have been with the coordinators and Gibbs' biggest mistake has been being to loyal to them and I think he was too loyal to Brunnel also.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So what do you suggest? Fire Gibbs? Wasn't the big complaint prior to Gibbs 2.0 that there was no stability because of Snyder? I'm all for POSITIVE change, but to declare Gibbs 2.0 a "total failure" and $***can him is pretty inaccurate and would do accomplish nothing but damaging the franchise further. Gibbs wasn't exactly handed a Superbowl contender 4 seasons ago.

Have there been mistakes made by Gibbs, absolutely? But, I think a majority of the problems have been with the coordinators and Gibbs' biggest mistake has been being to loyal to them and I think he was too loyal to Brunnel also.

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

The only resume on Monster.com for GM is Casserly. I agree that we need one, but where do you go? There needs to be some young upstart. College players are different now. The NFL is different. Personally, I would have preferred a Bethard hire over a Gibbs hire. If we make a change in coaching (Gibbs will step down - he will not be fired), I'd rather see Cower than Grimm. Mainly because if Cower is here, Greg Williams is gone.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

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