Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans?

[theJBexperience]

[quote=Bill B;388123]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really started thinking yesterday that we need to go out this offseason and get a big time WR in here.

Sorry, but Moss just isn't a go to guy you can count on game in and game out. We need a true star at WR, a guy that Campbell can grow with and have that special chemistry with. Right now we have a bunch of #2 and #3 WRs.

We do have a go to guy at TE in Cooley, but we need a go to guy at WR to really make this offense dangerous.

Put me on the WR bandwagon for this offseason.

Does anyone know what free agents will be available?[/quote]

Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans is a free agent this offseason (we seem to like the Miami thing and Johnson is a flat out stud). Only thing is I don't we have the cap room flexilibity with all the impending things with both sides of the line getting old and Andre Johnson will probably be getting somewhere in the range of a $10 million bonus.

Johnson is a free agent? I'd go after him. He's big and has been getting better each year. I'd think he'd stay in Houston though. He and schaub have a good thing going.

[SC Skins Fan]

[quote=theJBexperience;388198]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Johnson is a free agent? I'd go after him. He's big and has been getting better each year. I'd think he'd stay in Houston though. He and schaub have a good thing going.

Johnson is a stud, and the sort of player the Redskins need. I'm fairly certain, however, that he is not a Free Agent. This is his fifth season in the league and since high first round picks typically sign for 6-7 years he's almost certainly got time left on his contract. Houston won't let him get away either.

[Bill B]

[quote=SC Skins Fan;388205]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Johnson is a stud, and the sort of player the Redskins need. I'm fairly certain, however, that he is not a Free Agent. This is his fifth season in the league and since high first round picks typically sign for 6-7 years he's almost certainly got time left on his contract. Houston won't let him get away either.

SC Skins fan - you are correct - my bad - Andre Johnson's contract expires next year and he will be a free agent in 2009. I got mixed up with Andre Davis of the Texans being a free agent this offseason.

You are right about Houston not letting him go - the Skins would have to throw the bank at him to get him and I just don't think we have the cap flexibility to sign him for what he probably will get from either Houton or a team with a lot more cap room than us. Plus Houton could use the franchise tag on Johnson as well if negotiations go sour between the two parties.

[#56fanatic]

I would rather us take the picks and go after some D-Line talent or Oline talent. I think we could do just fine on the offensive side of the ball with what we have. Moss (if healthy) was one of the best playmakers at receiver a couple of years ago. We could use a true #2, but look at what Al has done in previous years with the lack of WR in KC. Look at what Brady did with a less than avg receiving core in NE. Moss, Randel El, Thrash, Espy, Caldwell or McCardell, Plus the new guy Mix, we have talent enough to win games and put points up. if Mix turns out to be pretty good, that gives us another red zone guy w/ cooley, and sellers (stud in redzone!)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I would rather us take the picks and go after some D-Line talent or Oline talent. I think we could do just fine on the offensive side of the ball with what we have. Moss (if healthy) was one of the best playmakers at receiver a couple of years ago. We could use a true #2, but look at what Al has done in previous years with the lack of WR in KC. Look at what Brady did with a less than avg receiving core in NE. Moss, Randel El, Thrash, Espy, Caldwell or McCardell, Plus the new guy Mix, we have talent enough to win games and put points up. if Mix turns out to be pretty good, that gives us another red zone guy w/ cooley, and sellers (stud in redzone!)

And look what Brady is doing now with quality WRs around him.

Moss was great in 2005 but that's ancient history. Since then he's been injured and inconsistent. It's time to find a true #1 WR.

You can't count on a guy like Mix who we picked up off a practice squad.

[#56fanatic]

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1. He has shown the last few weeks he can get open, I think he is limited by the coaching staff in some degree. Now, I do agree we would benefit from a true #2 guy. also, who is to say another year in Als offense these guys wouldn't flourish (randel el, caldwell, trash ect)

We all have an opinion, I guess we'll find out in April. I dont see how any pick would be wrong since we really haven't done crap with the current roster. Only thing that we should NOT draft is a QB. so, if they go WR.. so be it. He better be a complete stud.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1.

The problem with Moss(outside of health and inconsistency) is he's not a true red zone threat. His advantage is his speed which works to his advantage between the 20's, but speed is basically a nonfactor from 20 yards in. Height, strength, and hops are the best attributes to have in a red zone target and there really aren't any Redskin receivers that possess all of those assets.

Cooley has size and strength, and he is the best receiving threat in the red zone, but the problem is every team in the league knows that. Every time Campbell went to Cooley in the endzone yesterday, he was triple covered. I'm actually surprised that Cooley was able to have such good receiving numbers, since there were Bills drapped all over him, all day long.

But Washington still needs a true possession receiver. A big receiver with good hands that can bail Campbell out when his passes are a foot or two off the mark. Something which Santana Moss seems unable to do. I don't know how or where they'll find this guy, but they need to do it ASAP.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1. He has shown the last few weeks he can get open, I think he is limited by the coaching staff in some degree. Now, I do agree we would benefit from a true #2 guy. also, who is to say another year in Als offense these guys wouldn't flourish (randel el, caldwell, trash ect)

We all have an opinion, I guess we'll find out in April. I dont see how any pick would be wrong since we really haven't done crap with the current roster. Only thing that we should NOT draft is a QB. so, if they go WR.. so be it. He better be a complete stud.

I would normally agree with you, but then I looked at Moss' stats. Outside of the Pro Bowl year in '05 there's nothing there that speaks to his ability to be a #1. Last year I thought it was because of Brunell's lack of arm, but then what's the excuse this year? And it can't be because of safeties playing over the top, because all year I've seen us line up in a Cover 2 shell and consistently give up big plays, well aside from when we had Meast patrolling back there.

I don't think another year in the offense has anything to do with it, because Lloyd was here for two years and he actually regressed. And supposedly this offense is pretty simple, it has to be if Caldwell and McCardell can come in mid-season and contribute right away. So we have money tied up in the position, but we're not getting our money's worth, how do we fix that one?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And look what Brady is doing now with quality WRs around him.

Moss was great in 2005 but that's ancient history. Since then he's been injured and inconsistent. It's time to find a true #1 WR.

You can't count on a guy like Mix who we picked up off a practice squad.

None of that works for Brady if his line is not giving him the time to pass. As much as I would like a big time WR, I think we have to start building in the trenches.