Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Gibbs four years here around .43% win record and 4 years prior to Gibbs .44. We are no better.

While this is a very simplistic way of breaking it down, in the end, the bottom line is what matters and the fact that we haven't won any more games under Gibbs' guidance is a very telling statistic. I do thank him for making us competitive in every game for drafting JC, Taylor, cooley and Rocky among other things...

[SFREDSKIN]

Everyone complains about the "last 4 years" Did Joe not take us to the playoffs his second year here? Did he win a playoff game against TB with an old QB? Ok, so we failed last season, this season so far is no better, but if you look at what this team has been through this year, you would understand and yes, I am using injuries as an excuse. I don't know if we'll make the playoffs this year, but I can guarantee you that if Joe comes back next year, they could go all the way. We need a dominant WR, DE, a few backup OL, DB, S. All this can be addressed thru the draft and free agency. Our WR's haven't been effective due to injury, Moss, ARE and Thrash have been injured all year and not been able to produce as they should, OL has been injured and in shambles. Tell me an NFL team with the # of key injuries that we had that would be able to win? The Colts have had some injuries and have struggled but not the # of injuries as us plus they have Peyton Manning. That's my rant.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Everyone complains about the "last 4 years" Did Joe not take us to the playoffs his second year here? Did he win a playoff game against TB with an old QB? Ok, so we failed last season, this season so far is no better, but if you look at what this team has been through this year, you would understand and yes, I am using injuries as an excuse. I don't know if we'll make the playoffs this year, but I can guarantee you that if Joe comes back next year, they could go all the way. We need a dominant WR, DE, a few backup OL, DB, S. All this can be addressed thru the draft and free agency. Our WR's haven't been effective due to injury, Moss, ARE and Thrash have been injured all year and not been able to produce as they should, OL has been injured and in shambles. Tell me an NFL team with the # of key injuries that we had that would be able to win? The Colts have had some injuries and have struggled but not the # of injuries as us plus they have Peyton Manning. That's my rant.

Here we go again w/05. Gibbs did not win the 05 playoff game with an old qb. The offense didn't even crack 50 yards passing in that game. The defense won the game. Peroid! Again this is a classic case of the HC getting too much credit. And now he is getting too much blame.

Why is it that people around here keep clinging on to 05? I'm not knocking your post but we won a wild card game and that's it. That use to be the standard around here.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Here we go again w/05. Gibbs did not win the 05 playoff game with an old qb. The offense didn't even crack 50 yards passing in that game. The defense won the game. Peroid! Again this is a classic case of the HC getting too much credit. And now he is getting too much blame.

Why is it that people around here keep clinging on to 05? I'm not knocking your post but we won a wild card game and that's it. That use to be the standard around here.

And what did we do the year before 05? Was he not our HC? He runs the whole team, doesn't he? Joe gets bashed when the offense falters but doesn't get credit when his defense wins. Credit goes to the HC as much as the DC and OC.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And what did we do the year before 05? Was he not our HC? He runs the whole team, doesn't he? Joe gets bashed when the offense falters but doesn't get credit when his defense wins. Credit goes to the HC as much as the DC and OC.

Well he has nothing to do with the defense. He is not involved and he has said so himself. Even in his 1st go around he left it to Ritchie.

Here is something else I noticed. I could be nitpicking but oh well. The other night I saw Bill B. on the sidelines talking to the offensive and defensive players. I saw a piece on NFL Network and they had a mic on the NE sidelines. Bill B. is talking strategy with the players, telling them instructions, in other words he is very involved even though he is not the defensive or offensive play caller. When Brady comes to the sidelines during a TO he is communicating with Josh McDaniels but Bill B. is right there in the huddle talking with his QB and OC. He is involved even though he does not call the plays.

Does Gibbs EVER do any of this? No. He is not involved at all when it comes to in game stategy. Sorry but if my offense was having all these problems in the red zone, and I was constantly blowing 2nd half leads, and I was an expert in the area of NFL offense, and my season was on the line, you could bet your ass I would be involved. I would be talking with all of my players getting feed back. But I only see JC talking with Bill Lazor. Gibbs is never talking with any of the players. He's just on the head phones with Saunders. Since when does Bill Lazor know more than Gibbs? Why isn't Saunders on the sidelines?

This is the stuff I'm talking about. I would send Lazor upstairs and have Al on the sidelines. Tough shit if he doesn't like it. Make some damn adjustments to try and score more points instead of staying put. Get your ass involved in the game instead of sitting there with your arms folded and trusting the assistants to do everything.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well he has nothing to do with the defense. He is not involved and he has said so himself. Even in his 1st go around he left it to Ritchie.

Here is something else I noticed. I could be nitpicking but oh well. The other night I saw Bill B. on the sidelines talking to the offensive and defensive players. I saw a piece on NFL Network and they had a mic on the NE sidelines. Bill B. is talking strategy with the players, telling them instructions, in other words he is very involved even though he is not the defensive or offensive play caller. When Brady comes to the sidelines during a TO he is communicating with Josh McDaniels but Bill B. is right there in the huddle talking with his QB and OC. He is involved even though he does not call the plays.

Does Gibbs EVER do any of this? No. He is not involved at all when it comes to in game stategy. Sorry but if my offense was having all these problems in the red zone, and I was constantly blowing 2nd half leads, and I was an expert in the area of NFL offense, and my season was on the line, you could bet your ass I would be involved. I would be talking with all of my players getting feed back. But I only see JC talking with Bill Lazor. Gibbs is never talking with any of the players. He's just on the head phones with Saunders. Since when does Bill Lazor know more than Gibbs? Why isn't Saunders on the sidelines?

This is the stuff I'm talking about. I would send Lazor upstairs and have Al on the sidelines. Tough shit if he doesn't like it. Make some damn adjustments to try and score more points instead of staying put. Get our ass involved in the game instead of sitting there with your arms folded and trusting the assistants to do everything.

That's quite an assumption to make to say that he's not involved in strategy, and just sits there doing nothing. True he does not call plays, but that's pretty extreme to just assume he stands around doing nothing.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's quite an assumption to make to say that he's not involved in strategy, and just sits there doing nothing. True he does not call plays, but that's pretty extreme to just assume he stands around doing nothing.

pay close attention tonight and see if gibbs is talking strategy with any of the players. watch when jc come over to the sidelines. see who he's talking to. it's always lazor.