Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

The line was even worse last year when Ramsey was in.

Also, why is it Portis' fault that Brunell isn't running the passing game effectively? I think the running game hasn't been effective because our passing game is inept. Defenses stack 9 guys in the box because they don't respect Brunell.

Not many backs are going to be successful when you've got 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play blitzing the crap our of us because we can't throw deep.

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down.

Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame.

Some other questions:

#1. Do you really think Portis should be benched?

#2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open?

#3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year?

#4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well?

#5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep?

#6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down.

Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame.

Some other questions:

#1. Do you really think Portis should be benched? No, he needs to get some more blocking. Not having 9 men in the box will help.

#2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open? Hard to say without being at the games or coaches tapes

#3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year? No.

#4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well? NO!

#5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep?
I think they are more scared of me throwing deep than Brunell!

#6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)? Without question. The QB determines how a defensive gameplan is implemented. If you don't have to account for the passing game (i.e. Redskins) you can focus everything on stopping the run

I think we've seen what Brunell can do, and it isn't much.. It's time for him to hold a clipboard. Ramsey has started and won in the league. Now the pressure he was feeling in the pre-season should be minimized since it's not a competition anymore. We need to see if he can cut it or if we need to completely start over at QB..

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down.

Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame.

Some other questions:

#1. Do you really think Portis should be benched?

#2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open?

#3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year?

#4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well?

#5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep?

#6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)?

1.Yes, We scrapped our runningbacks for Portis. The real deal is he's doubting himself and the defense's can see it. Most backs get stronger and stronger in the late quarters but Portis is running and falling down with hardly any energy at all.
2.Yes. Look at the passes that were caught and you see 2 defenders on almost every play. Where are the receivers who have one on one coverage on them?
3.No. This line is much better. Injuries to Jansen and Jones has hurt us tremdously. Portis doesn't read the defense well and is thinking too much rather than reacting decisively.
4.Yes. Brunell has had 2 INTs in 5 games. His numbers against Dallas at 325 yds proves he can do it. He is a leader and takes responsibility for every loss we've had this year, when we all know he's not the reason completely.
5.Of course not. Put Portis isn't scaring anybody either. I'm starting to believe the Denver system made him what he was a back.
6.A QB makes an offense look bad when he is unable to run an effecient offense the opportunity comes to make a big play. Brunell made the big play in th first half. Vick and Pennington are QB with a future and younger legs. A veteran QB must be given maximum protection and that's not happening.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Look at the passes that were caught and you see 2 defenders on almost every play. Where are the receivers who have one on one coverage on them?

How can you say that the opposing defenses are stacking 8 or 9 guys in the box all the time [see your previous post], but putting double coverage on our wideouts?

With 8 or nine defenders in the box and Gibbs running 3 WR routes, how can you honestly say our recievers are being double-teamed? By my count, that would mean the opposing defenses are fielding 14 or 15 guys.

[SmootSmack]

After tonight's game I'm tempted to call for wholesale changes. Bench Brunell, Coles, and Gardner. Start Ramsey, Jacobs, McCants. We need a spark somewhere.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

After tonight's game I'm tempted to call for wholesale changes. Bench Brunell, Coles, and Gardner. Start Ramsey, Jacobs, McCants. We need a spark somewhere.

man, at this point, i would NOT be opposed to that. let Coles recover fully if thats whats been stopping him from outrunning DBs, and let McCants or even Thrash not drop those clutch ones Gardner is infamous for.

noticed you wouldn't bench Portis. smart.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

How can you say that the opposing defenses are stacking 8 or 9 guys in the box all the time [see your previous post], but putting double coverage on our wideouts?

i WISH our receivers were dangerous enough to warrant double teams. thats the whole point. the way the receivers and Brunell are playing means they dont have to, so instead they effectively triple team Portis. 8 men in the box.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

all bigger backs than Portis, with lead blockers and proven olines with schemes that aren't new to them.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by illdefined

all bigger backs than Portis, with lead blockers and proven olines with schemes that aren't new to them.

Correct he if I'm wrong. But Portis's size has never been his downfall. What has been his strengths has been his speed and power. Portis is as big as Tiki, Priest or Deshaun Foster. I watch other backs in the league right now like Curtis Martin, Tiki Barber and Holmes and I just shake my head with disbelief that this offensive line could be the main reason for our failures when all of the backs I mentioned have runners who cut back a lot to get the yards they need.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Correct he if I'm wrong. But Portis's size has never been his downfall. What has been his strengths has been his speed and power. Portis is as big as Tiki, Priest or Deshaun Foster. I watch other backs in the league right now like Curtis Martin, Tiki Barber and Holmes and I just shake my head with disbelief that this offensive line could be the main reason for our failures when all of the backs I mentioned have runners who cut back a lot to get the yards they need.

What do all of those backs have? A quarterback who is a threat to the defense. If I was a def. coord. I would put 8 in the box until Brunell beat me deep once, then leave 8 in the box until he proves he can do it again. It's not the line, it's not the system, it's not the scheme, it's the personnel..

In your previous post you said you would bench Portis, for who and for what? What would benching your best offensive player prove? The whole 'system back' thing is a joke. If he was running against linemen and backers instead of linemen, backers and blitzing safeties all game then maybe he could put up some numbers.. Since the Tampa game, what's been the method to stop the Redskins offense? Blitz almost every play. Why? Because we haven't shown an ability to beat it. How many times did Ed Reed come off the corner and stuff the play? I can think of at least 4 off the top of my head, TD included. You have to be able to beat the blitz in the NFL or else you won't move the ball.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What do all of those backs have? A quarterback who is a threat to the defense. If I was a def. coord. I would put 8 in the box until Brunell beat me deep once, then leave 8 in the box until he proves he can do it again. It's not the line, it's not the system, it's not the scheme, it's the personnel..

oh yeah, NOT TO MENTION w/o an air attack every defense is singling Portis OUT while everyone is learning this Gibbs system. result? fumbles and everything thats been happening.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Correct he if I'm wrong. But Portis's size has never been his downfall. What has been his strengths has been his speed and power. Portis is as big as Tiki, Priest or Deshaun Foster. I watch other backs in the league right now like Curtis Martin, Tiki Barber and Holmes and I just shake my head with disbelief that this offensive line could be the main reason for our failures when all of the backs I mentioned have runners who cut back a lot to get the yards they need.

man, how LONG have those guys been in their systems? more importantly, how long have their OLINES been in those systems??

Gibbs doesn't WANT his backs cutting back, thats not how he gameplans and im sure Portis has been told not to. this is a huge philosophy change for Portis and a WHOLE new deal for the Oline.

Gibbs had Cooley blocking for Portis in the I formation. thats a change for Portis's style right there. but thats a new position for Cooley too. its gonna take time for the team and the coach to figure it all out, but already things are started to move albeit slowly.