Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have NEVER seen Tom Brady yell at a WR. Not sure what you are talking about on that one.

And A. Smith ran his mouth first.

I guess you haven't watched many Pats games before this season then. I haven't seen him do it as much this season, but a lot more people would call him out on it, considering he's got a stable full of great receivers. My main beef with Brady even before this season was that he admonished his receivers far too often.

And A. Smith ran his mouth to the media. I've never seen a flag thrown for talking smack on ESPN.

And where's the defense of Brady's constant bitching at the refs? That's just competitive fire I guess...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I guess you haven't watched many Pats games before this season then. I haven't seen him do it as much this season, but a lot more people would call him out on it, considering he's got a stable full of great receivers. My main beef with Brady even before this season was that he admonished his receivers far too often.

And A. Smith ran his mouth to the media. I've never seen a flag thrown for talking smack on ESPN.

And where's the defense of Brady's constant bitching at the refs? That's just competitive fire I guess...

I'm in a 4 player keeper league for fantasy football and I've kept Brady the last 4 years. I've seen a ton of Pats games over than time span. I can't recall seeing him yell at one wr. I've seen him talk to them but show one up? Not once.

Last year he was in a position where they let go of his two starting wr's. So he was in a situation where he was throwing to guys like Doug Gabriel, Caldwell and Chad Jackson. Those guys probably didn't know the playbook that well and I never ever saw him yell at those guys. If anything he complimented them. I remember him specifically saying good things about Caldwell after he was cut. I remember Brady not practicing for a day or two after Deion Branch was holding out. He did it in support of his teammate and it caused a stir in the media. So again, I'm not real sure where you are coming from.

A. Smith is a dumbass. Yes, you can run your mouth to the media. But you don't fire up an undefeated team that passes the ball every play and you are responsible for coverage against a great passing attack. He's only on the field becuase Troy P. is hurt. WTF was he thinking? He got what he deserved.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.

That's always bugged me too. I guess one could argue his style represents a no-nonsense, all business approach. But I just think he looks like a slob and it's almost like he does it to snub his nose at the league. Hey look at me, I don't give a F and you can't do anything about it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.

Excellent points. It always HAS bugged me that he dresses like a slob.

Anyone who wants to argue that the first two points don't matter probably has their head in the sand. Those two go a LONG way in making people hate him, even without the cheating.

Appearances matter, it's the way the world works. If you don't think it matters, try walking into your next job interview wearing wrinkled pants and a cuttoff hoody and scowl the whole time and bark answers at people. Let me know how it goes.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.

Just be clear, I'm not trying to be the defender of the New England Patriots, and I'm not in love with Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.

*Ghetto, Belichick's sideline appearance is a product of the NFL lowering the bar, not his personal preference in attire. The league simply states that you must wear NFL approved "gear". Granted, he seems to be at the very bottom of the ladder when it comes to appearance, but so what. It almost took an act of Congress for the NFL to permit Mike Nolan to wear a stinkin' suit on the sidelines. Even that is tailored by Reebok or somebody!

You see, the NFL is all about two things: Imagine and money. And whenever someone or a team crosses that concept, then "we" have a problem Houston.

*Humilating opponents? Please, this is football. That argument has been talked about ad nasuem (sp) in another thread. But I hear what you're saying.

*Yes, they did get caught cheating and from what I've seen this season, it didn't mount to a hill of beans because they are still whupping everyone's ass. Do we really think they were the first - or the first caught?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just be clear, I'm not trying to be the defender of the New England Patriots, and I'm not in love with Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.

I also feel the need to say this when I play devil's advocate for the Pats. Why? I think the answer to that question could be the answer to your thread.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

*Ghetto, Belichick's sideline appearance is a product of the NFL lowering the bar, not his personal preference in attire. The league simply states that you must wear NFL approved "gear". Granted, he seems to be at the very bottom of the ladder when it comes to appearance, but so what. It almost took an act of Congress for the NFL to permit Mike Nolan to wear a stinkin' suit on the sidelines. Even that is tailored by Reebok or somebody!

You see, the NFL is all about two things: Imagine and money. And whenever someone or a team crosses that concept, then "we" have a problem Houston.

Yeah, I know it's all about marketing, and I think it's lame. It's nice to see guys like Nolan and Del Rio stand up for professional appearance. Why not Belichick?

To be fair, Belichick has dressed well in the past. Look at this picture from a pre-season game just last year:

Originally Posted by 12thMan

*Humilating opponents? Please, this is football. That argument has been talked about ad nasuem (sp) in another thread. But I hear what you're saying.

I know, I know, this argument will never end. But, just the fact that there is a question about his humility could be reason people dislike him. Even though some people don't agree that he's humiliating, or think it's justified because of his job, doesn't mean that people who feel otherwise are wrong.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

*Yes, they did get caught cheating and from what I've seen this season, it didn't mount to a hill of beans because they are still whupping everyone's ass. Do we really think they were the first - or the first caught?

I'd be willing to bet that they weren't the first to cheat, and aren't the only ones cheating now. That doesn't excuse the behavior.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I also feel the need to say this when I play devil's advocate for the Pats. Why? I think the answer to that question could be the answer to your thread.



Yeah, I know it's all about marketing, and I think it's lame. It's nice to see guys like Nolan and Del Rio stand up for professional appearance. Why not Belichick?

To be fair, Belichick has dressed well in the past. Look at this picture from a pre-season game just last year:





I know, I know, this argument will never end. But, just the fact that there is a question about his humility could be reason people dislike him. Even though some people don't agree that he's humiliating, or think it's justified because of his job, doesn't mean that people who feel otherwise are wrong.



I'd be willing to bet that they weren't the first to cheat, and aren't the only ones cheating now. That doesn't excuse the behavior.

points well taken.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

All week leading up to the Steeler's game all you heard about was this punk from the Steelers that was shit talking about how they were going to win and this and that. If the Patriots are guilty of anything, it's winning. And if we don't like them winning and the way they win games, then let's just say that. Tom Brady had a brilliant quote in response to Anthony Smith's guarantee, "well done is better than well said."

For the record, I think Anthony Smith is as much of a dumbass as Brady and Belichick. And for that matter, so are idiots like Joey Porter and the like.

And I'm willing to say I don't like the Patriot's winning and the way they win. I'm fine with that. I have a problem when classless people who lack character seem to continually succeed. It bothers me.

[hurrykaine]

I rooted for them over the Rams in 2002. Was sick of that cocky Martz. At the SB, the Pats were one of the first to ask to be introduced "as a team" unlike other teams who have players announced individually who then dance out onto the field (like Ray Lewis). Also loved the way they drafted and acquired smart ball players who could play both offense and defense (Troy Brown, Vrabel, etc.). My favorite Pats play came against Denver a couple of years ago when Ben Watson chased down Champ Bailey's 100 yd INT return and foiled a TD.

Now, its time for another team to win. I'd like to see them go 16-0, but lose in the playoffs to another gritty team. It could happen.

[70Chip]

I dislike Brady immensely as I said before but he has at least earned the right to be a douchebag if such a thing is possible. Belichick, on the other hand, has a lifetime record of 41 -55 as a HC of teams on which Tom Brady is not the starting QB.

[DynamiteRave]

I don't have a problem with the Pats, they're just a good team. If people wanna see a new team win, they better pray their team gets better or hope Tom Brady's head falls off. Otherwise get used to the Patriots steamrolling everyone for another year or two. The only other teams I think could compare to the Pats are the Steelers and the Colts.

The one thing I don't like about them is that to me, they are the Yankees of football (Sorry Yanks fans). A bunch of hype and then when they get their asses kicked, they'll boohoo about it. (Can you tell I don't like the Yankees? )

[#56fanatic]

Teams reflect the personality of the coach. The patriots seem smug because they get it from their coach. Colts are classy due to dungy, same with the Skins. Belichek has always seemed to have the personality of chalk board, and an attitude that he is better than anything or anyone around him. The guys on that team follow him and would run through a brick wall for that dude, as would most of our guys. I personally dont like the pats because I am a little po'd at the lack of class in running up scores and the snide comments made to opposing players, however, I do not think that makes Brady a bad guy. He is confident, he is GREAT, probably one of the greatest of all time, I think he just exudes that confidence in life also. The dude is dating the hottest women on the planet, making tons of millions, winning superbowls, the best QB in the league, I am sure if that was anyone of us, we would be perceived the same way.

[prinzeofmoval]

there the darth vader of football.its the team you love to hate,and its insanity because every week we tune in to see something different but it ends the same.I hope they go undefeated...once i seen randy moss become theres last draft i already knew they were going to be unstoppable..

[prinzeofmoval]

p.s. every week we give them a reason to play hard..vs chargers:spygate,vs cowboys and indy:unbeatin records,guarrentee from dumb nuts at pittsburgh:the jets this week for ratting on them,the dolphins the week after to insure the streak and to shove in shulas face...stop giving them reasons