Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

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Originally Posted by celts32

If you have to judge his cleveland stay as a success or failure it's a failure. Cleveland agreed since they fired him. And no one ever said he was not a good DC he is obviously that. I don't think he is a bad coach I just think the media is trying to turn him into the next coming of Lombardi which is just rediculous.

I'm not sure that the Browns fired him as it was more that he did not move with the team to Balimore after the 95 season. I think he now has 4 SB rings with one as a DC. Say what you want about him but find me the list of coach with more SB rings than him and I'm sure that will be a short list.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm not sure that the Browns fired him as it was more that he did not move with the team to Balimore after the 95 season. I think he now has 4 SB rings with one as a DC. Say what you want about him but find me the list of coach with more SB rings than him and I'm sure that will be a short list.

The Browns fired him. He is a good defensive coach but the facts are that he was nothing as a head coach until he stumbled upon Tom Brady. He was 35-47 as a head coach over 6+ seasons with 1 winning season before finding Tom Brady. Six years is not exactly a small sampling...he could not get it done as a head coach without one of the best QB's ever. Facts are facts...he's a good coach but this is not Vince Lombardi no matter how many Super Bowls Tom Brady wins him.

[TheMeatLoafCabana24]

Originally Posted by celts32

The Browns fired him. He is a good defensive coach but the facts are that he was nothing as a head coach until he stumbled upon Tom Brady. He was 35-47 as a head coach over 6+ seasons with 1 winning season before finding Tom Brady. Six years is not exactly a small sampling...he could not get it done as a head coach without one of the best QB's ever. Facts are facts...he's a good coach but this is not Vince Lombardi no matter how many Super Bowls Tom Brady wins him.

The Browns fired him because he wanted to rebuild and cut their "beloved" quarterback Bernie Kosar (whoever the hell that is). Belicheck is a genius coach who made the Patriots who they are today. Yes, Brady is really good and makes things happen. If it wasn't for Belicheck coaching as well as he does, the Patriots would be a mediocre team at best.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TheMeatLoafCabana24

The Browns fired him because he wanted to rebuild and cut their "beloved" quarterback Bernie Kosar (whoever the hell that is). Belicheck is a genius coach who made the Patriots who they are today. Yes, Brady is really good and makes things happen. If it wasn't for Belicheck coaching as well as he does, the Patriots would be a mediocre team at best.

35-47 with 1 winning season out of 6 without Brady...I did not make that up...those are the facts.

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Originally Posted by celts32

35-47 with 1 winning season out of 6 without Brady...I did not make that up...those are the facts.

Those maybe the facts but facts do not always tell the whole story. The first two years with the brown he was rebuilding the team and getting better. The third he went to the playoffs and I think beat the pats in the first round. His forth year was when the Browns picked up and moved in the middle of the season so I'm not sure if that year can be put on him. Even if you think Brady has made him he also gets the credit for drafting him and making them what they are today. It is the job of the coach to find, train and make them a great team. A whole bunch of other coaches did not have the vision to draft Brady and looked over him.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Those maybe the facts but facts do not always tell the whole story. The first two years with the brown he was rebuilding the team and getting better. The third he went to the playoffs and I think beat the pats in the first round. His forth year was when the Browns picked up and moved in the middle of the season so I'm not sure if that year can be put on him. Even if you think Brady has made him he also gets the credit for drafting him and making them what they are today. It is the job of the coach to find, train and make them a great team. A whole bunch of other coaches did not have the vision to draft Brady and looked over him.

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by celts32

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.

Celts, if he isn't one of the all-time greats then what measuring stick are you using?

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Originally Posted by celts32

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.

Wrong, Belichek was hired in 1/2000 and Brady was aquired in the 2000 draft which was in 4/2000. So does that now make him a great coach?