The Mitchell report

[Big C]

same story different names. tired of this crap i wish the sport would fade away

[redsk1]

On the Bonds thing:

Am I wrong or has Bonds been saying all along that he took the cream and the clear but didn't know they were steroids. The Mitchell report spoke of others that verified and repeated what he said. He thought it was flaxseed oil. This is what he testified in the grand jury indictment a couple years ago. So, he's on trial for lying about whether or not he knew these were steroids right? He admits to taking them.

Now whether or not you believe him is another story.

Now...Sheffield.

No news here. He's been saying this for a couple of years. I do believe him, b/c Sheff doesn't give a rats behind what anyone thinks of him. He states that he worked out w/ Bonds for an offseason (and his trainer) and used what he thought wasn't a steroid. It turned out it was the cream and the clear. You rub this on as an ointment. His relationship w/ Bonds turned quickly south b/c of this and other things and he never touched it again. So, i don't think that this guys whole career should be discounted for one mistake.

[skinsfan69]

I am so fuc#%ing sick of the roid talk. OMG STOP IT ALREADY. Everytime ESPN talks about it I just turn to NFL Network. Do they realize all they are doing is making more people want to take it? Enough already!

[jsarno]

See, the reason this is still around is cause nothing is being done about it. They came up with a joke of an agreement that allows the club to be notified 24 hours before tests. If you can't get all the roids out of your system in 24 hours, you're a moron.
This continues to be a huge issue because baseball allows the HORRIBLE players union to be involved in any decision on MLB's future. The players union could give two shits about the future of MLB, they are concerned about their own well being and survival. If the player union went on strike, who cares, get scabs and start over. Wipe the slate clean. This needs to be stopped, not coddled, or "slowed down". The mitchell report didn't do much, OTHER than showing the world this is not a 1 or 2 man issue, it's corrupted the entire sport.
So the real question is, what is MLB gonna do about it? Are they going to let the players union strong arm them into another horrible deal, or will they grow some nutts and stop it completely? (I bet on the former)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

See, the reason this is still around is cause nothing is being done about it. They came up with a joke of an agreement that allows the club to be notified 24 hours before tests. If you can't get all the roids out of your system in 24 hours, you're a moron.
This continues to be a huge issue because baseball allows the HORRIBLE players union to be involved in any decision on MLB's future. The players union could give two shits about the future of MLB, they are concerned about their own well being and survival. If the player union went on strike, who cares, get scabs and start over. Wipe the slate clean. This needs to be stopped, not coddled, or "slowed down". The mitchell report didn't do much, OTHER than showing the world this is not a 1 or 2 man issue, it's corrupted the entire sport.
So the real question is, what is MLB gonna do about it? Are they going to let the players union strong arm them into another horrible deal, or will they grow some nutts and stop it completely? (I bet on the former)

You can't get roids out of your system in 24 hours. With some juice it takes 4-8 weeks to leave your system.

[MPNRedskins]

Here's something to think about with the Mitchell Report. Baseball numbers were way down before the Home Run chase of 1998. I'm sure MLB knew McGwire and Sosa were on something and allowed it to happen. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Then, when Barry Bonds gets bigger and breaks the record, all of a sudden it becomes a huge issue. Is it a race issue? I think it is partly, but I hate people using the race issue as a crutch. Bonds' attitude and relationship with the media has a lot to do with everything being blown up like it is. There should be no punishment for whoever is on the Mitchell Report. It happened in the past. Leave it there. Go Red Sox!!!!!!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by MPNRedskins

Here's something to think about with the Mitchell Report. Baseball numbers were way down before the Home Run chase of 1998. I'm sure MLB knew McGwire and Sosa were on something and allowed it to happen. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Then, when Barry Bonds gets bigger and breaks the record, all of a sudden it becomes a huge issue. Is it a race issue? I think it is partly, but I hate people using the race issue as a crutch. Bonds' attitude and relationship with the media has a lot to do with everything being blown up like it is. There should be no punishment for whoever is on the Mitchell Report. It happened in the past. Leave it there. Go Red Sox!!!!!!

McGwire never got implicated...Bonds had NUMEROUS sources that came out and said he used. From ex trainers to ex girlfriends, to baseball players. Bonds was so arrogant, he didn't bother to cover his trail. Nothing has implicated a person more than "Game of Shadows". Had that been a book that implicated McGwire, then we'd be talking about him right now. It has nothing to with race at all...not one iota.

[Campbell17]

no matter what they say I think they are all cheaters.

[70Chip]

This is making it's way around:

Clemens: You want answers?

Congressman: I think I'm entitled to them.

Clemens: You want answers?

Congressman: I want the truth!

Clemens: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on that mound. We use words like fastall, slider, splitfinger...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter clips I provide,! then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Congressman: Did you order the HGH?

Clemens: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.

Congressman: Did you order the HGH?

Clemens: You're gddamn right I did!!

[MTK]

Clemens is such a f'ing liar. Just own up and stop throwing others under the bus.