Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you are over simplifying.
99% of all college QB's are not ready to play at a high level when they first arrive in the NFL. Marino and Roethlisberger are the only two that come to mind that came in with a bang.. IT takes time to develop them to the level that is required to be great in the NFL. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning were not very successful their first couple of years. In fact they really sucked. With COACHING and learning the pro system they became great. They had to work at it. Nobody wanted Brady coming out of college.
Which brings me to another point. I think the offensive system each QB plays in makes a big difference. Montana playing under Walsh and his great system helped him. Well Bellicheck pretty much ran the same system until this year when he started to play more of the 3 and 4 wr system.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

What I am basically saying is: take Brady and put him on the 49ers. Would he be successful? Probably not. Would he lose his "greatness"? I don't think so. It's a team after all, and one guy alone can't do it.

This begs the question: would Brady be as great as he is today, if he were drafted to the 49ers? We'll never know, but I believe he would be -- he just wouldn't be able to show it.

Bottomline: Coaches need good QBs, QBs need good coaches and good teammates. Everyone needs each other.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

What I am basically saying is: take Brady and put him on the 49ers. Would he be successful? Probably not. Would he lose his "greatness"? I don't think so. It's a team after all, and one guy alone can't do it.

This begs the question: would Brady be as great as he is today, if he were drafted to the 49ers? We'll never know, but I believe he would be -- he just wouldn't be able to show it.

Bottomline: Coaches need good QBs, QBs need good coaches and good teammates. Everyone needs each other.

The timing is downright eery...

What's your pet peeve?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The timing is downright eery...

What's your pet peeve?

I submit to your awesome power of logic and reason! Do you teach Ethics?

This begs the question: can a phrase have more than one meaning?

(all in good fun)

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I submit to your awesome power of logic and reason! Do you teach Ethics?

This begs the question: can a phrase have more than one meaning?

(all in good fun)

Sure it can! However, when a phrase has been in use for a substantial period of time with a specific, defined meaning, should we just accept the bastardization of said phrase simply because it's commonplace?

I do like the general idea, though. For instance, from now on when I say, "Go fuck yourself," what I MEAN is "Hey man, have a great day!"

So, go fuck yourself Ghetto.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Sure it can! However, when a phrase has been in use for a substantial period of time with a specific, defined meaning, should we just accept the bastardization of said phrase simply because it's commonplace?

I do like the general idea, though. For instance, from now on when I say, "Go fuck yourself," what I MEAN is "Hey man, have a great day!"

So, go fuck yourself Ghetto.

LOL. Nice.