Coach Gibbs might consider extending stay.

[Rajmahal33]

I think im in the boat that says i want him to stay with the team for years and year to come...

However, at the coaching capacity I don't know. Let's try to objectively see what he brings to the table as well as his shortcomings:

Joe's Pros (btw I'm trademarking that):
- Years of experience; this is something that new coach may not necessarily bring even if he has coached before. However that experience might be somewhat overrated when it comes to game-time decisions b/c the pace and strategies of football has somewhat changed (instant replay, speed of the D-ends, 2 minutes drills, etc)
- Great motivation skills; let's face it, he is a player's coach and the guys in the locker room respect him and will play their ass off for him. There is and will be no insubordination (like we see on other teams around the league) and this is an underrated subtlety of the modern game. Players play focused down the stretch of the season and this is why we have played well in December (knock on wood).
- Scouting and developing youth; He has drafted well or at least better than his recent predecessors and has an eye for talent. This is vital for building a playoff team by bringing in guys who can contribute in the later rounds. He can teach them to be men as well as players and thats important these days.
- Taking teams to the next level; he's done it before and he knows how to get teams to overachieve on a CONSISTENT basis. His second time around he didn't have a team for the future until now. I think when JC comes back next year we will have a team for the future that will be a perennial playoff threat and he can get us to that next level year in year out.
- Fan Loyalty; This can also be a con b/c ppl have a tendency to give him a pass that they wouldnt give other guys. I think overall this is a good thing though. A coach, just like a QB, that doesn't have to look over his shoulders, is going to perform better.

Joe's Cons:
- Game-time mismanagment; this stems from an overall problem with his outlook. It may be that he is getting slower in his old age and isnt mentally as sharp. At times he seems like he can't adapt to the new game, especially in close games when it matters the most. I don't think he is inept but he does have a tendency to bumble around a bit. I don't think this is that big of a problem but a younger coach would probably be able to make quicker decisions, though they may not be the correct ones.
- Outdated schemes; His usual bread and butter is power running and stopping the run. If we've seen anything this year, its that the Passing game, around the league, is flourishing. We need to build a team that can pass well and often and stop the pass. This is contrary to his usual philosophy and at times he has shown an unwillingness or inability to change. I understand that its really Saunders' offense and GW's defense but he makes game-time decisions like 4th down scenarios and overall game management. These decisions are made based on a strong influence of his old school philosophies. This is probably my biggest gripe with him and I think this can be cured with a new coach (even if it is GW).
- Age and Health; The man is old and he is a diabetic. I hate to say it but his long term health and his ability to coach for 3 more years is very much in doubt. If we are on the cusp of something huge and all of a sudden he is ripped from the team it could upset the balance of things and really ruin our chances. I can remember the Falcon's superbowl run when Reeves had a quadruple bypass. Sure the players played well in honor of their coach but they were just unprepared for the Superbowl (and this was a really good 14-2 team) even though he only missed the divisional playoff game. Having consistency at the coaching position is as important as any other position on the field and I think a coach of the future would provide this, especially if it is GW.

I personally think that Gibbs can still provide the team with the first 3 things on that pros list (impart his experience, motivate the team, and develop youth) without being the head coach. Because of his status whoever the next head coach is, won't feel as though he is meddling but can still stay close to the team. He can provide the intangibles that are synonymous with Joe Gibbs without hindering the teams growth by sticking around too long and tarnishing his legacy. A new coach can bring in some much needed enthusiasm as well. Morale at redskins park these days seems to be at an all-time low (From the Taylor tragedy) even though we are still in the playoff hunt. Part of the rebuilding process may mean that we need a change from the status quo.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Joe's Pros (btw I'm trademarking that):

- Scouting and developing youth; He has drafted well or at least better than his recent predecessors and has an eye for talent. This is vital for building a playoff team by bringing in guys who can contribute in the later rounds. He can teach them to be men as well as players and thats important these days.

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

Good point Beemnseven - especially when it comes to trading of draft picks - until this year we have had a lack of picks and this hurts depth in the long run. I hope Gibbs 2.0 or whatever we call him and the rest of the collective braintrust over at Redskin Park (since there is no offically GM and the decision making is made as a "team") has decided to build the team via the draft and low priced free agents instead of trading picks and signing big name free agents.

We need depth in the worst way and unfortunately the high amount of injuries reminded us this year that injuries are part of the game and spending the majority of your cap on the front line starters and little on backups is too big a gamble.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

Like most other executives he's had his hits and misses. Unfortunately, most people only want to remember Desmond Howard, or more recently Archuleta. But how about some of the "unsung" guys like Montgomery, Golston, Alexander, Heyer?

By the way, I say we take it old school C:\Dos\Gibbs, or keep it fresh for the 21st century with myGibbs.com (although that's admittedly a bit creepy, even for a Gibbs aficionado such as myself)

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Why does it have to be Windows-based?

iGibbs

Hahaha...true that! Is iGibbs compatible with GW 2.4?

[LongTimeSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Why does it have to be Windows-based?

iGibbs

or better still.... Gibbux

[irish]

I didnt think Gibbs would be around for next year but with all the ST stuff and the injuries I really think he will be back and finish out his contract. As for additional years, I hope not. Its time for the Skins to move on and get a young coach in there that can stick around awhile.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by irish

I didnt think Gibbs would be around for next year but with all the ST stuff and the injuries I really think he will be back and finish out his contract. As for additional years, I hope not. Its time for the Skins to move on and get a young coach in there that can stick around awhile.

I agree with you mostly, however I do fell he will be here next year as coach. I am not so sure I would want him back after the contract is up. I think we should move GW into head coach, let Al run the offense as he sees fit. RUMOR : has Al being let go at the end of the year because Joe does not like the progression of the offense. I dont really like hearing that, as Jason would have to learn a whole new system and there is always growing pains with learning a whole new system. #'s show that Als system is progressive, the first year in the high 20's, 2nd year low 20's to high teens, then the third year is the big jump in the top 10. I want this outfit to show some consistancy. so when Joe decides to call it quits, we keep GW, move Blache to D-cord and let Al run the show on offense.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I agree with you mostly, however I do fell he will be here next year as coach. I am not so sure I would want him back after the contract is up. I think we should move GW into head coach, let Al run the offense as he sees fit. RUMOR : has Al being let go at the end of the year because Joe does not like the progression of the offense. I dont really like hearing that, as Jason would have to learn a whole new system and there is always growing pains with learning a whole new system. #'s show that Als system is progressive, the first year in the high 20's, 2nd year low 20's to high teens, then the third year is the big jump in the top 10. I want this outfit to show some consistancy. so when Joe decides to call it quits, we keep GW, move Blache to D-cord and let Al run the show on offense.

For someone who enjoys consistency, I would think it would be hard for Gibbs to want to move on that quick with Al. There's no WAY you can blame him for the offense. Sure, he should share some blame, but I'm talking like 20% of it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I agree with you mostly, however I do fell he will be here next year as coach. I am not so sure I would want him back after the contract is up. I think we should move GW into head coach, let Al run the offense as he sees fit. RUMOR : has Al being let go at the end of the year because Joe does not like the progression of the offense. I dont really like hearing that, as Jason would have to learn a whole new system and there is always growing pains with learning a whole new system. #'s show that Als system is progressive, the first year in the high 20's, 2nd year low 20's to high teens, then the third year is the big jump in the top 10. I want this outfit to show some consistancy. so when Joe decides to call it quits, we keep GW, move Blache to D-cord and let Al run the show on offense.

I'm pretty sure I said he will be back next year.

I really hope GW does not become head coach as i dont realyy think he was all that great when he had that job before and his D has been mediocre this year when they were supposed to be the bedrock of the team. I have also heard Danny does not like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him. I just cant imagine Danny making someone he does not care for the head coach.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm pretty sure I said he will be back next year.

I really hope GW does not become head coach as i dont realyy think he was all that great when he had that job before and his D has been mediocre this year when they were supposed to be the bedrock of the team. I have also heard Danny does not like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him. I just cant imagine Danny making someone he does not care for the head coach.

How has the D been mediocre this year?

10th overall (19th vs. pass, 9th vs. rush).

12th overall in points given up per game with 20.2.

9th overall in 3rd down conversion % with 38%

They are in the top 1/3 in most major categories. Sorry but that's really not fitting of the definition of mediocre.

[Bill B]

Also as far as cap management goes I am not positive on how much the Redskins use "likely to be earned incentives", which if a player does not earn it than the incentive actually counts as a cap credit. I would venture to guess that the Skins don't use it that much because they have to often restructure players contracts and all of the players have good agents that minimize these type of incentives and ask for signing bonuses and roster bonuses instead - but the cap experts on this site have a better idea on how much the Skins incorporate these type of incentives into players contracts.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How has the D been mediocre this year?

10th overall (19th vs. pass, 9th vs. rush).

12th overall in points given up per game with 20.2.

9th overall in 3rd down conversion % with 38%

They are in the top 1/3 in most major categories. Sorry but that's really not fitting of the definition of mediocre.

In the above statistics the D looks good, but:

Giants: 17-3 Skins at Half / 21-0 NYG in 2nd L
Packers: 14-7 Skins at Half / 10-0 GB in 2nd L
Cards: 14-6 Skins at Half / 13-7 Cards in 2nd W
Eagles: 12-7 Skins at Half / 26-13 Eagles in 2nd L
Dallas: 10-7 Skins at Half / 21-13 Dallas in 2nd L
Bills: 9-2 Skins at Half / 15-7 Bills in 2nd L
Bears: 7-0 Skins at Half / 17-16 Skins in 2nd W

Also we are -7 in turnover ratio

If we could stay even in the 2nd half of two of these games we are 9-5. Sitting back watching that Cover-2 get picked apart in the 2nd half with almost no defensive shifts or blitzing is sickening. In each of these games it appears the opponent's offense adjusts to our gameplan at halftime and GW isn't prepared.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How has the D been mediocre this year?

10th overall (19th vs. pass, 9th vs. rush).

12th overall in points given up per game with 20.2.

9th overall in 3rd down conversion % with 38%

They are in the top 1/3 in most major categories. Sorry but that's really not fitting of the definition of mediocre.

Those numbers do look great but with the game on the line they have not been able to make a stands and keep the opponent from scoring. As I have said in the past, I really dont care about stats as I have noticed losing teams love to quote stats in an attempt to show that they really are better than their record while I rarely ever hear winners talk about stats. When the D was needed to win games they didnt come through. that why I believe they are mediocre.

[mheisig]