Coach Gibbs might consider extending stay.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Gibbs XP

Why does it have to be Windows-based?

iGibbs

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Why does it have to be Windows-based?

iGibbs

I like WiGbbs.

[Rajmahal33]

I think im in the boat that says i want him to stay with the team for years and year to come...

However, at the coaching capacity I don't know. Let's try to objectively see what he brings to the table as well as his shortcomings:

Joe's Pros (btw I'm trademarking that):
- Years of experience; this is something that new coach may not necessarily bring even if he has coached before. However that experience might be somewhat overrated when it comes to game-time decisions b/c the pace and strategies of football has somewhat changed (instant replay, speed of the D-ends, 2 minutes drills, etc)
- Great motivation skills; let's face it, he is a player's coach and the guys in the locker room respect him and will play their ass off for him. There is and will be no insubordination (like we see on other teams around the league) and this is an underrated subtlety of the modern game. Players play focused down the stretch of the season and this is why we have played well in December (knock on wood).
- Scouting and developing youth; He has drafted well or at least better than his recent predecessors and has an eye for talent. This is vital for building a playoff team by bringing in guys who can contribute in the later rounds. He can teach them to be men as well as players and thats important these days.
- Taking teams to the next level; he's done it before and he knows how to get teams to overachieve on a CONSISTENT basis. His second time around he didn't have a team for the future until now. I think when JC comes back next year we will have a team for the future that will be a perennial playoff threat and he can get us to that next level year in year out.
- Fan Loyalty; This can also be a con b/c ppl have a tendency to give him a pass that they wouldnt give other guys. I think overall this is a good thing though. A coach, just like a QB, that doesn't have to look over his shoulders, is going to perform better.

Joe's Cons:
- Game-time mismanagment; this stems from an overall problem with his outlook. It may be that he is getting slower in his old age and isnt mentally as sharp. At times he seems like he can't adapt to the new game, especially in close games when it matters the most. I don't think he is inept but he does have a tendency to bumble around a bit. I don't think this is that big of a problem but a younger coach would probably be able to make quicker decisions, though they may not be the correct ones.
- Outdated schemes; His usual bread and butter is power running and stopping the run. If we've seen anything this year, its that the Passing game, around the league, is flourishing. We need to build a team that can pass well and often and stop the pass. This is contrary to his usual philosophy and at times he has shown an unwillingness or inability to change. I understand that its really Saunders' offense and GW's defense but he makes game-time decisions like 4th down scenarios and overall game management. These decisions are made based on a strong influence of his old school philosophies. This is probably my biggest gripe with him and I think this can be cured with a new coach (even if it is GW).
- Age and Health; The man is old and he is a diabetic. I hate to say it but his long term health and his ability to coach for 3 more years is very much in doubt. If we are on the cusp of something huge and all of a sudden he is ripped from the team it could upset the balance of things and really ruin our chances. I can remember the Falcon's superbowl run when Reeves had a quadruple bypass. Sure the players played well in honor of their coach but they were just unprepared for the Superbowl (and this was a really good 14-2 team) even though he only missed the divisional playoff game. Having consistency at the coaching position is as important as any other position on the field and I think a coach of the future would provide this, especially if it is GW.

I personally think that Gibbs can still provide the team with the first 3 things on that pros list (impart his experience, motivate the team, and develop youth) without being the head coach. Because of his status whoever the next head coach is, won't feel as though he is meddling but can still stay close to the team. He can provide the intangibles that are synonymous with Joe Gibbs without hindering the teams growth by sticking around too long and tarnishing his legacy. A new coach can bring in some much needed enthusiasm as well. Morale at redskins park these days seems to be at an all-time low (From the Taylor tragedy) even though we are still in the playoff hunt. Part of the rebuilding process may mean that we need a change from the status quo.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Joe's Pros (btw I'm trademarking that):

- Scouting and developing youth; He has drafted well or at least better than his recent predecessors and has an eye for talent. This is vital for building a playoff team by bringing in guys who can contribute in the later rounds. He can teach them to be men as well as players and thats important these days.

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

Good point Beemnseven - especially when it comes to trading of draft picks - until this year we have had a lack of picks and this hurts depth in the long run. I hope Gibbs 2.0 or whatever we call him and the rest of the collective braintrust over at Redskin Park (since there is no offically GM and the decision making is made as a "team") has decided to build the team via the draft and low priced free agents instead of trading picks and signing big name free agents.

We need depth in the worst way and unfortunately the high amount of injuries reminded us this year that injuries are part of the game and spending the majority of your cap on the front line starters and little on backups is too big a gamble.

[Rajmahal33]

I guess what I meant was that of the players we have drafted, they have shown a lot of promise and have developed into good young men as well as solid football players. They haven't been head cases and many have definitely overachieved. I know ppl have thrown this list up before but here are some:

-Dockery (though he didn't pick him, he did greatly influence his development)
-Taylor (without Gibbs, Taylor could have really taken a turn for the worse and I think its a blessing that at least his life ended on an personal upswing)
-Cooley
-Campbell
-Rogers (though the jury is still out, he isn't a complete bust)
-McIntosh
-Montgomery
-Doughty (looks like he is gonna really start developing)
-Golston (shown flashes of brilliance)
-Landry
-Blades (looks like a keeper)
-Heyer (already outperforming and proving himself as a starter in his rookie year)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know that I agree with this one. Gibbs is a master at many things in football -- personnel decision making isn't one of them.

Like most other executives he's had his hits and misses. Unfortunately, most people only want to remember Desmond Howard, or more recently Archuleta. But how about some of the "unsung" guys like Montgomery, Golston, Alexander, Heyer?

By the way, I say we take it old school C:\Dos\Gibbs, or keep it fresh for the 21st century with myGibbs.com (although that's admittedly a bit creepy, even for a Gibbs aficionado such as myself)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like most other executives he's had his hits and misses. Unfortunately, most people only want to remember Desmond Howard, or more recently Archuleta. But how about some of the "unsung" guys like Montgomery, Golston, Alexander, Heyer?

By the way, I say we take it old school C:\Dos\Gibbs, or keep it fresh for the 21st century with myGibbs.com (although that's admittedly a bit creepy, even for a Gibbs aficionado such as myself)

Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

But don't all the great mid- to late-round draft picks that Gibbs II: The Reckoning has made make all the wasted picks for guys like Lloyd and Duckett stand out that much more?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

But don't all the great mid- to late-round draft picks that Gibbs II: The Reckoning has made make all the wasted picks for guys like Lloyd and Duckett stand out that much more?

Only to those who want them to stand out. Otherwise, no. Gibbs and his team estimated the better option in those rounds was to pass on any college talent and invest in current NFL players. It backfired, it happens. Doesn't need to be magnified any more than his successes.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

W/out question the FO has done some good things in the draft. But if we miss the playoffs again that's 1-4 under Gibbs w/ alot of high priced coaches. So something is not right. And it all comes down to the 2nd half blown leads. Gibbs has to take some blame for that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

W/out question the FO has done some good things in the draft. But if we miss the playoffs again that's 1-4 under Gibbs w/ alot of high priced coaches. So something is not right. And it all comes down to the 2nd half blown leads. Gibbs has to take some blame for that.

"some blame" being the operative term

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

Matty - Gibbs has made some good pickups with late round picks - I guess where I am coming from as far as personel decisions is that Gibbs has made some wiffs on big name players but this outweighs his solid pickups by the fact that it has hurt the cap future of the team as well.

I am of the camp of building through the draft and picking up lots of undrafted/unheralded free agents and lower round picks because as you and many have pointed out executives hit and miss across the board, but at least if you miss with a lower pick or an unheralded free agent the cap consequences are not so great. Also, I think a lot of unproven players tend to play harder than a guy who signs a contract with a $10 million bonus (Brandon Llyod comes to mind as the player who gets the money and becomes a dud) because they want that to see that kind of money as well. I like how the Steelers operate and continuosly reload their team when players who had big years leave to sign huge contracts and the Steelers continue to replace them due to good scouting.

I think everyone needs to include cap management when they grade personnel decision making. Yes the Skins can always use cash to get over their cap problems in the near term, but it puts a heavy strain on picking up extra players and we all see that depth is so important in this league. Cap problems also makes the team restructure a lot of contracts which puts further stain on future salary caps.

To posters out there I ask - are you happy with the way the team's personnel decision making is with concerns to the way the Redskins handle their salary cap? Does anyone out there like to see our Skins $20 million over entering the 2008 salary cap? Do people like to see the Skins constantly have to restructure contracts and put further strain on future salary caps?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

Look, we've been through this before. I'll give him credit where it's due...

-- Jason Campbell looks good. He's got some real fine tuning to do, and I really hope he's the future at QB for many years to come. But I think there's still a question mark there.

-- Stephon Heyer performed admirably against Strahan. I was really worried about that matchup last week, but he came through in a big way. I think he's an excellent find as a backup, but as a 16 game starter? Not yet. Still, he was a great find.

-- Cedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery were absolute steals. In my book, they are by far Gibbs' greatest accomplishments as far as draft picks go. And to think they were 5th and 6th rounders? Stunning. Got no complaints there.

-- Rocky McIntosh and Chris Cooley represent solid talent and league leading stars respectively. Good finds, no doubt. But the problem is that they, along with Jason Campbell were 2 for 1 deals -- we had to pay DOUBLE to get them here.

Sure he has some 'hits'. But the misses have been nothing short of devastating, and in many cases their impacts haven't even been seen yet. How many future seasons will be affected by trading away two 3rd round picks, and two 4th round picks for guys that aren't even here, or are on their way out? The magnitude of those 'misses' are staggering.

Then there are the questionable moves -- trading away a 3rd for Brunnel. Tossing in a 2nd for Portis. And as I said in a previous post, Antwaan Randle El is frequently pointed out as a 'hit'. What exactly has he done that makes everyone mindlessly agree that he's a 'hit' when he has so little production to show for it?

And wasn't there some sentiment here on this board recently about Santana Moss and how some people aren't sure he is quite the fixture he was made out to be?

Then there are the 'bad with money' decisions -- Adam Archuleta, giving Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus two weeks before he was declared inactive, then subsequently released.

Then there's Ryan Clark. Antonio Pierce. Warrick Holdman.

Sorry. I just don't see how the good picks outnumber the bad picks "by far." A losing record over the past four seasons simply doesn't support it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Why does it have to be Windows-based?

iGibbs

Hahaha...true that! Is iGibbs compatible with GW 2.4?