Should Gregg Williams return as defensive coordinator in '08?

[SmootSmack]

You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

SS, in every game lost, with the exception of possibly GB, we've had no less than a 10 point lead in every 2nd half.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

SS, in every game lost, with the exception of possibly GB, we've had no less than a 10 point lead in every 2nd half.

I see what you're saying. I'm talking about the halftime lead specifically. Either way, I think it's way too simplistic to place the blame entirely on one side

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

Giants: 17-3 Skins at Half / 21-0 NYG in 2nd L
Packers: 14-7 Skins at Half / 10-0 GB in 2nd L
Cards: 14-6 Skins at Half / 13-7 Cards in 2nd W
Eagles: 12-7 Skins at Half / 26-13 Eagles in 2nd L
Dallas: 10-7 Skins at Half / 21-13 Dallas in 2nd L
Bills: 9-2 Skins at Half / 15-7 Bills in 2nd L
Bears: 7-0 Skins at Half / 17-16 Skins in 2nd W

My problem is; how do you explain the defense going from good 1st half to bad 2nd half on a consistent basis other than the guy calling the defense not making good halftime adjustments or making bad defensive calls in the 2nd half. If there's another valid explanation I would love to hear it because I can't figure it out.

I don't think offensively Gibbs has changed very much, but I guess I was spoiled by watching Richie Pettibone's defense consistently hold small leads for Gibbs.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Giants: 17-3 Skins at Half / 21-0 NYG in 2nd L
Packers: 14-7 Skins at Half / 10-0 GB in 2nd L
Cards: 14-6 Skins at Half / 13-7 Cards in 2nd W
Eagles: 12-7 Skins at Half / 26-13 Eagles in 2nd L
Dallas: 10-7 Skins at Half / 21-13 Dallas in 2nd L
Bills: 9-2 Skins at Half / 15-7 Bills in 2nd L
Bears: 7-0 Skins at Half / 17-16 Skins in 2nd W

My problem is; how do you explain the defense going from good 1st half to bad 2nd half on a consistent basis other than the guy calling the defense not making good halftime adjustments or making bad defensive calls in the 2nd half. If there's another valid explanation I would love to hear it because I can't figure it out.

I don't think offensively Gibbs has changed very much, but I guess I was spoiled by watching Richie Pettibone's defense consistently hold small leads for Gibbs.

First off you have only posted 7 games and we have played 14. Did those other 7 game numbers not back up your argument?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off you have only posted 7 games and we have played 14. Did those other 7 game numbers not back up your argument?

In the other 7 games Miami, Eagles, Lions, Pats, Jets, TB and Giants the defense stayed consistent in 1st half vs. 2nd half points allowed, except for the Jets and TB where the defense improved in the second half. My argument is that in 7 out of 14 games we have had serious 2nd half letdowns, to me that indicates a not-so-good trend.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Giants: 17-3 Skins at Half / 21-0 NYG in 2nd L
Packers: 14-7 Skins at Half / 10-0 GB in 2nd L
Cards: 14-6 Skins at Half / 13-7 Cards in 2nd W
Eagles: 12-7 Skins at Half / 26-13 Eagles in 2nd L
Dallas: 10-7 Skins at Half / 21-13 Dallas in 2nd L
Bills: 9-2 Skins at Half / 15-7 Bills in 2nd L
Bears: 7-0 Skins at Half / 17-16 Skins in 2nd W

My problem is; how do you explain the defense going from good 1st half to bad 2nd half on a consistent basis other than the guy calling the defense not making good halftime adjustments or making bad defensive calls in the 2nd half. If there's another valid explanation I would love to hear it because I can't figure it out.

Here's something to consider...Time of Possession. If a defense is on the field long frequent periods of time, they are bound to get tired and run down.

If you look at the Drive Logs found on Yahoo!, you'll notice a trend of the 2 minute or less drives in the 2nd half of most of the games above. If the defense does not get time to rest, they are going to play tired. There is no way to combat that, expect for the offense to hold onto the ball. Part of the problem has been the offense's 2nd half conservation and failing to execute. Most of the games you mentioned, there are many 2nd half 3 and outs, as well as late game turnovers, which can burst any sort of momentum.

Now, don't get me wrong. The defense has had its fair share of problems, but to put it square on Gregg Williams and "bad adjustments" and "bad calls" is not looking at the full picture.

By your reasoning, Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs should both be out as well, since they are failing to make proper adjustments and have made bad calls down the stretch...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Here's something to consider...Time of Possession. If a defense is on the field long frequent periods of time, they are bound to get tired and run down.

If you look at the Drive Logs found on Yahoo!, you'll notice a trend of the 2 minute or less drives in the 2nd half of most of the games above. If the defense does not get time to rest, they are going to play tired. There is no way to combat that, expect for the offense to hold onto the ball. Part of the problem has been the offense's 2nd half conservation and failing to execute. Most of the games you mentioned, there are many 2nd half 3 and outs, as well as late game turnovers, which can burst any sort of momentum.

Now, don't get me wrong. The defense has had its fair share of problems, but to put it square on Gregg Williams and "bad adjustments" and "bad calls" is not looking at the full picture.

By your reasoning, Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs should both be out as well, since they are failing to make proper adjustments and have made bad calls down the stretch...

You make good points, but I'm not sold though.

For the record, I hope the D plays lights out for the next month and a half and we shock the NFL. I'll then happily stand up and take my

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You make good points, but I'm not sold though.

For the record, I hope the D plays lights out for the next month and a half and we shock the NFL. I'll then happily stand up and take my

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Here's something to consider...Time of Possession. If a defense is on the field long frequent periods of time, they are bound to get tired and run down.

If you look at the Drive Logs found on Yahoo!, you'll notice a trend of the 2 minute or less drives in the 2nd half of most of the games above. If the defense does not get time to rest, they are going to play tired. There is no way to combat that, expect for the offense to hold onto the ball. Part of the problem has been the offense's 2nd half conservation and failing to execute. Most of the games you mentioned, there are many 2nd half 3 and outs, as well as late game turnovers, which can burst any sort of momentum.

Now, don't get me wrong. The defense has had its fair share of problems, but to put it square on Gregg Williams and "bad adjustments" and "bad calls" is not looking at the full picture.

By your reasoning, Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs should both be out as well, since they are failing to make proper adjustments and have made bad calls down the stretch...

We should consider field position as well.

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