Brunell is killing Portis

[skins009]

You guys are excactly right. Brunnel is the main problem with our offense right now. If you look back two our first two games against the bucs and giants, they tried to stop us with 7 men and we absolutely just plowed right through them down the field. Then after that both teams said fuck this, were stacking the box, lets see you guys throw the ball. And to this very day we have not been able to do it. This is the nfl, you got to be able to pass and throw. Once we get a vertical passing game, i don't see us having much sucess.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Let me make a prediction:

Ramsey will start within 3 weeks and Portis' numbers go way, way, way up. Ramsey is no Peyton Manning, but he stretches the field. He'll have turnovers, but he'll move the chains and keep us in every game.

It's sad we knew by the 3rd quarter last week we were done even though we were only down by a TD. Do you know why we felt that way? Because we knew Brunell can't move sh-t. With Ramsey, we might have 2 INTs, but we've ALWAYS got a fighting chance to win.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Let me make a prediction:

Ramsey will start within 3 weeks and Portis' numbers go way, way, way up. Ramsey is no Peyton Manning, but he stretches the field. He'll have turnovers, but he'll move the chains and keep us in every game.

It's sad we knew by the 3rd quarter last week we were done even though we were only down by a TD. Do you know why we felt that way? Because we knew Brunell can't move sh-t. With Ramsey, we might have 2 INTs, but we've ALWAYS got a fighting chance to win.

How right you are.


Even though Ramsey only played a quarter or a quarter and a half in the New York game you can't deny you can see these qualities in him.

1. He has a lot of energy.
2. He will do and indore whatever it takes to win a game.
3. He's not afraid to take chances.
4. He's got a great arm.

Right now Brunnel is showing these qualities.

1. He has no energy.
2. He can't win a game.
3. He will not take any chances.
4. He has a lousy arm.

I'll take Ramsey .

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by skins009

You guys are excactly right. Brunnel is the main problem with our offense right now. If you look back two our first two games against the bucs and giants, they tried to stop us with 7 men and we absolutely just plowed right through them down the field. Then after that both teams said fuck this, were stacking the box, lets see you guys throw the ball. And to this very day we have not been able to do it. This is the nfl, you got to be able to pass and throw. Once we get a vertical passing game, i don't see us having much sucess.

If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.

[Redskins_P]

The way I look at it is if Brunell and Portis are struggling then theres only one person (or should I say group) to blame and that's the o-line. Portis can't run because he has no holes. Brunell sometimes doesn't have the time to throw downfield. Without the o-line clicking then you can forget about the whole offense. It all starts up front.

That being said, if the offense continues to struggle then I wouldn't be surprised if they do bench Brunell. But there is no way Brunell takes all the blame for Portis not being able to run the ball consistently.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.

How can they put 8 men in the box if their double covering 2 wr's, as well we alway's have either a TE, or back, running a pattern, so I do not believe that can be correct, as for Brunell's number's in the cowboy game, he made 1 nice throw for a TD, and guess what, he scrabled to do it, but it was defiently a nice play on his part, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, as far as the bulk of his yardage, it came on 2 throw's to Gardner, jump ball's, throwing a ball up for grab's is not a high percentage pass, and dangerous, those were desperation throw's, point out a nice deep ball he has thrown, if he threw that pass a little further last game, he could have hit coles for a TD instead of an INT to Deion, as it was he had coles turning the wrong way, Ramsey completed as many deep ball's in 2 quarter's, as brunell has in 4 1/2 games.

I agree that Gibb's is partly resposible for the passing problem's, he is the one starting Brunell.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by offiss

How can they put 8 men in the box if their double covering 2 wr's, as well we alway's have either a TE, or back, running a pattern, so I do not believe that can be correct, as for Brunell's number's in the cowboy game, he made 1 nice throw for a TD, and guess what, he scrabled to do it, but it was defiently a nice play on his part, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, as far as the bulk of his yardage, it came on 2 throw's to Gardner, jump ball's, throwing a ball up for grab's is not a high percentage pass, and dangerous, those were desperation throw's, point out a nice deep ball he has thrown, if he threw that pass a little further last game, he could have hit coles for a TD instead of an INT to Deion, as it was he had coles turning the wrong way, Ramsey completed as many deep ball's in 2 quarter's, as brunell has in 4 1/2 games.

I agree that Gibb's is partly resposible for the passing problem's, he is the one starting Brunell.

Brunell did everything that he was supposed to do to put us in a position to win the Dallas game. I don't care whether it was rushed or not, the reality is that he had over 15 first downs and that came from passes to Cooley, Coles and Gardner. Brunell threw the long pass when he had to and still the question is why is Gibbs sticking with him. In the Cleveland game Coles caught 122yds in passes so there is clearly a problem that is not Brunell's fault. Remember no fumbles or INT's in either game.

Ramsey's INT and sack percentage were much higher than Brunell's at this point last year. I've looked at the pass that Brunell threw to Coles and I'll give credit where credit is unfortunately due. Deion Sanders made an exceptional play. The ball was perfectly thrown to Coles. Unfortunately Sanders came over to assist the other CB who Coles had beaten.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.

17 minutes of good play doesn't balance out against 283 minutes of piss poor play. Are you actually saying Brunell doesn't deserve criticism?

He's got the fewest yards per pass attempt in the NFC and the fewest deep balls in the entire league. That's not someone who's succeeding at throwing a deep ball.