Brunell is killing Portis

[sportscurmudgeon]

Gmanc711:

Since "5.6 yards per pass is pretty much the only number [you] need to see", I'm sure you already know that Patrick Ramsey's career number is 6.6 yards per attempt. Before you get overly excited about that number, let me give you a yardstick.

Gus Frerotte averages 7.1 yards per attempt.

So, if that number is "pretty much all you need to see", I'm sure you will enlighten all of us as to the glory that Gus could lead this team to if he were to materialize here.

And I'm sure you already know that Mark Brunell's career average gain per attempt is 7.0 yards per attempt - which is 6% higher than Ramsey's - and that is "pretty much all you need to see". Right?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

And I'm sure you already know that Mark Brunell's career average gain per attempt is 7.0 yards per attempt - which is 6% higher than Ramsey's - and that is "pretty much all you need to see". Right?

and you realize as he gets older his arm is only going to get worse, right?

I don't see gibbs changing QBs right now, he tends to stick by them "till the bitter lemon-sucking end" but defending brunell's play with anything besides "everyone else sucks too" is a bit hard to swallow, cause his play has been nothing short of wretched... some people here keep pointing to the same 3-4 plays... guess what? 3 good plays in 5 games IS NOT ENOUGH... that's like me asking you to look at how awesome ramsey is for his TD throw and to just ignore his 3 ints... sounds silly doesn't it?

and i can''t see this thing with sultan... i think 4 other RBs on our roster would have to be DEAD before he even had a shot at playing time... he couldn't light up 3rd stringers, he's slower and smaller than portis, and his hands aren't as good... which obviously makes him the best back in the league it seems...

[skinsfan0201]

Hopefully Brunell will be able to defend his own actions this week, if not, we have someone with a tremendous amount of potential lined up to take his place. I am sure that Gibbs is well aware of that!

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Gmanc711:

Since "5.6 yards per pass is pretty much the only number [you] need to see", I'm sure you already know that Patrick Ramsey's career number is 6.6 yards per attempt. Before you get overly excited about that number, let me give you a yardstick.

Gus Frerotte averages 7.1 yards per attempt.

So, if that number is "pretty much all you need to see", I'm sure you will enlighten all of us as to the glory that Gus could lead this team to if he were to materialize here.

And I'm sure you already know that Mark Brunell's career average gain per attempt is 7.0 yards per attempt - which is 6% higher than Ramsey's - and that is "pretty much all you need to see". Right?

Yeah, its pretty much still all I need to see. I watch the Redskins every week and I know exactly what that number means. Its the very indication of why Brunell and our offense as a whole, is having trouble. Because we are only throwing it 5 yards per pass. Ramseys numbers or Ferrottes number mean nothing to me, because I have watched them and know that they do take shots down the feild. Brunells arm is getting weak, our offense sucks, we need a change. If we had a crappy defense, I really wouldnt even care this much, but I'm so p*ssed that we are wasting this defense. We need a change on offense, weather its playcalling, quarterback , I dont care. I personally feel that change should be at quarterback, but thats just me.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Gmanc711:

Let me try one more time. Yards per attempt is a statistic but it is not "all anyone needs to see".

Patrick Ramsey's yards per attempt for his career is 6.61

Donovan McNabb's yards per attempt for his career is 6.28.

Vinny Testaverde's yards per attempt for his career is 6.92.

Tom Brady's yards per pass attempt for his career is 6.74.

If that is all anyone needs to see, then the Eagles would be thrilled to trade McNabb for Ramsey even-up. You can't believe that.

If that is all anyone needs to see, then Ramsey for Testaverde would be a great way to screw over the Cowboys. Do you like that proposed trade?

The difference between Tom Brady and Patrick Ramsey is less than 5 inches per pass attempt. If that is all anyone needs to see, would you say that Ramsey is about 5 inches away from two Super Bowl MVP Awards? He's not - yet!

By the way, Tom Brady has been pretty successful in his three and a quarter seasons so far. (I'm not counting 2000 where he got into only one game and threw only 3 passes.) In those three and a quarter years, he has completed only 19 passes of more than 40 yards; that comes to about one every eleven quarters of football. My point is that you can be pretty efficient and effective as a QB throwing a lot of short stuff as long as you complete a lot of them; you don't have to throw it downfield all the time. What you need to be successful is a complete team around you. Tom Brady has that; Ramsey/Brunell/Hasselbeck/Hamden/Whomever does not have that in Washington just now. There's more to it that yards per pass attempt and frustration with the play calling that does not have enough fly patterns to suit your preferences.

So, my point is that there is MORE to see and more to observe and more to analyze than yards per passing attempt - unless of course the number is ZERO and then you would indeed have all the info you needed to see.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Gmanc711:

Let me try one more time. Yards per attempt is a statistic but it is not "all anyone needs to see".

Patrick Ramsey's yards per attempt for his career is 6.61

Donovan McNabb's yards per attempt for his career is 6.28.

Vinny Testaverde's yards per attempt for his career is 6.92.

Tom Brady's yards per pass attempt for his career is 6.74.

If that is all anyone needs to see, then the Eagles would be thrilled to trade McNabb for Ramsey even-up. You can't believe that.

If that is all anyone needs to see, then Ramsey for Testaverde would be a great way to screw over the Cowboys. Do you like that proposed trade?

The difference between Tom Brady and Patrick Ramsey is less than 5 inches per pass attempt. If that is all anyone needs to see, would you say that Ramsey is about 5 inches away from two Super Bowl MVP Awards? He's not - yet!

By the way, Tom Brady has been pretty successful in his three and a quarter seasons so far. (I'm not counting 2000 where he got into only one game and threw only 3 passes.) In those three and a quarter years, he has completed only 19 passes of more than 40 yards; that comes to about one every eleven quarters of football. My point is that you can be pretty efficient and effective as a QB throwing a lot of short stuff as long as you complete a lot of them; you don't have to throw it downfield all the time. What you need to be successful is a complete team around you. Tom Brady has that; Ramsey/Brunell/Hasselbeck/Hamden/Whomever does not have that in Washington just now. There's more to it that yards per pass attempt and frustration with the play calling that does not have enough fly patterns to suit your preferences.

So, my point is that there is MORE to see and more to observe and more to analyze than yards per passing attempt - unless of course the number is ZERO and then you would indeed have all the info you needed to see.

Alright, I understand what your saying. You're right.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Gmanc711:


Patrick Ramsey's yards per attempt for his career is 6.61

Donovan McNabb's yards per attempt for his career is 6.28.

Vinny Testaverde's yards per attempt for his career is 6.92.

Tom Brady's yards per pass attempt for his career is 6.74.

Very well stated! What whould we gain from inserting P. Ram for M. Brunell?

A whole yard and a half!

But Ram doesn't have the head for the game that Brunell has.

I never wanted the trade for Brunell. I'm liking it less and less each day!