Your MVP this year?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Todd Collins certainly deserves a lot of credit and may deserve the MVP, but I'm not so sure 1 of 22 starters is the sole reason why this team is in the playoff seat. Collins isn't the RB running harder lately. Collins isn't the O-lineman who suddenly decided to open running lanes. Collins isn't the guy getting open on routes (e.g., Cooley running free for a TD against Minny) and grabbing balls that could easily be intercepted by opposing DBs (e.g., Moss' TD catch against Minny). Collins didn't stuff AP for 27 yards or force turnovers.

And though Collins didn't make any big mistakes against the G-men, I don't think he singlehandedly won us that game either. If I recall, Collins completed the fewest passes for a team that won the game since WWII. That was Portis and the D who won that game.

I love what Collins has done and he should start the rest of the way, but to give all of the credit for a possible playoff appearance to a guy who has played in 3 games and played really well in just 2 is unfair. This TEAM has put itself in position to win. All phases of the game are in better shape than they were 4 weeks ago and THAT is why we are in position for a playoff appearance.

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

Yes, that's exactly the point I made...

Like someone else said, TC has nothing to do with Portis running his ass off or Moss and Cooley making great grabs and getting open or the defense shutting out the Vikings for half the game and keep the NFL's leading rusher to less than 30 yards.

You might attribute the O-line play to TC I suppose, given his timing within the system. Linking everything else to TC makes as much sense as saying walking outside caused it to rain.