Your MVP this year?

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

Yes, that's exactly the point I made...

Like someone else said, TC has nothing to do with Portis running his ass off or Moss and Cooley making great grabs and getting open or the defense shutting out the Vikings for half the game and keep the NFL's leading rusher to less than 30 yards.

You might attribute the O-line play to TC I suppose, given his timing within the system. Linking everything else to TC makes as much sense as saying walking outside caused it to rain.