Benazir Bhutto Assassinated

[Monksdown]

Didnt we just allot funds to Pakistan to help secure their borders more effectively? ( i f'ing hate alot of our foreign policy btw)

If i heard the report correctly, then i don't think it's a stretch to assume that played a motivating role in his murder.

Maybe the deal is we take out the competition, or provide the intel and support to execute. And we give a big check, and they help us crack down on border security.

Just ignorantly speculating.

[BleedBurgundy]

I don't think that the individuals currently in charge of our foreign policy have anywhere near the skills to manipulate ANY world events through means other than blatant military aggression. I have a hard time believing that anyone other than some radical group is responsible for this. Al Qaeda, or whoever else, it really doesn't matter. Someone was killed for their ideas today and that's a horrible thing.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I don't think that the individuals currently in charge of our foreign policy have anywhere near the skills to manipulate ANY world events through means other than blatant military aggression. I have a hard time believing that anyone other than some radical group is responsible for this. Al Qaeda, or whoever else, it really doesn't matter. Someone was killed for their ideas today and that's a horrible thing.

Yeah, I get the feeling it was a small radical group. I still think they are ,perhaps, loosely affiliated with Musharraf and/or Al Queda. But still, this will reverberate here in the U.S. as candidates are ramping up for the primaries in the next week or so.

[Monksdown]

You are correct about who is likely responsible, ie a fringe group. And i agree with you wholeheartedly about the trajedy of losing another life to an idea. It does go to show you however the power behind an idea. We've built our civilization on ideas. And im sure ive seen more than one movie preaching that a great idea is greater than a single great human life.

And i hesitate to point this out, but i enjoy being the devil's advocate. Our moronic figurehead's top advisor(daddy) ran the the CIA for a few years, and may have a more devious personality than the idiot. Not likely, but don't forget.

[dmek25]

why cant the Dem's just say enough is enough? they could force the presidents hand by granting enough money until June, or whenever. that way Bush would have no other choice but to withdraw

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dmek25

why cant the Dem's just say enough is enough? they could force the presidents hand by granting enough money until June, or whenever. that way Bush would have no other choice but to withdraw

It's pretty hard to demand that we leave Iraq when even guys like Rep. Murtha are admitting that we have turned a corner in Iraq. Add that we are coming up on an election year and that the Dems are trying to shake the perception (right or wrong) that they are "soft" and it makes it hard for any Dem to call for cutting the funding off.

But how does Iraq directly relate to Bhutto's assasination?

[Daseal]

Yeah, it's impossible to tell what people vote for anymore. They need to keep congress from adding totally unrelated issues onto bills. Make a bill about one thing and one thing only.

[KLHJ2]

Come On! You guys act as if you didn't see this comming. I had a feeling as soon as she returned a few months ago that she was going to get whacked. It was only a matter of time. I bet she knew it too.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Come On! You guys act as if you didn't see this comming. I had a feeling as soon as she returned a few months ago that she was going to get whacked. It was only a matter of time. I bet she knew it too.

She's definitely crooked and far from a Saint. Even the Pope never leaves his glass cage when he's out and about and there she was sticking her head out. I mean, why would you do such a thing especially a few month after someone tried to assassinated you but managed to killed ~120 people instead?

[BleedBurgundy]

I don't think anyone is acting like this is a surprise for multiple reasons, some of which you have mentioned. And saint or not, it's still not a good thing when someone get's assassinated, especially when that someone was the first woman leader of a country. Doesn't exactly set a good precedent. I am curious as to why you say she's "definitely crooked." If you can decipher the good from the bad in that political landscape, you're way more knowledgeable than I am...

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I don't think anyone is acting like this is a surprise for multiple reasons, some of which you have mentioned. And saint or not, it's still not a good thing when someone get's assassinated, especially when that someone was the first woman leader of a country. Doesn't exactly set a good precedent. I am curious as to why you say she's "definitely crooked." If you can decipher the good from the bad in that political landscape, you're way more knowledgeable than I am...

During her tenure as prime minster of Pakistan (1988-1990, 1993-1996) her and her husband use take kickbacks in return for contracts and favors. That's to say they had Swiss bank accounts and then some. She was so crooked that France changed it's bribery laws and made it illegal for a French company to bribe foreign nationals (the French law use to apply only to French citizens and entities).

When Bhutto first started making waves in the media a few months ago I was laughing my ass off as they propped her up as some kind of a hero and savior. I was appalled when they put her in the same class as Aung San Suu Kyi.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by saden1

During her tenure as prime minster of Pakistan (1988-1990, 1993-1996) her and her husband use take kickbacks in return for contracts and favors. That's to say they had Swiss bank accounts and then some. She was so crooked that France changed it's bribery laws and made it illegal for a French company to bribe foreign nationals (the French law use to apply only to French citizens and entities).

When Bhutto first started making waves in the media a few months ago I was laughing my ass off as they propped her up as some kind of a hero and savior. I was appalled when they put her in the same class as Aung San Suu Kyi.

I hear you on the corruption, but you have to remember that bribery is par for the course in most 2nd and 3rd world countries. It's not black and white. Anyone who doesn't seek out and kill the opposition at least gets the "moderate" label as strange as that sounds.