AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?

[Ocliw]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm glad you at least have a gun, but an unloaded firearm with ammunition in the other room is about as useful as a 2 pound paperweight when it comes to home defense.

Lol...true. I bought it years ago before I had kids. I'm just lulled into a false sense of security that I'll never need it. Nice neighborhood,low crime area, etc.. which I know doesn't mean crap these days.

[scowan]

Kind of off the subject, but I once heard that one of the reasons the Japanese just attacked Pearl Harbor and did not invade the USA in 1941 was because citizens owned guns in California. They were scared. The simple fact that you don't know who is "packing heat" prevents a lot of crimes.

[Monksdown]

Gun Control, not elimination. You should have the right to defend yourself. You hear a loud noise, you open the bedroom door and see a man with a gun entering your home. In between him and you is the door to your 4 year old's bedroom. You will never find me bringing a knife to a gun fight. Ever. That being said, my peice is locked up with a finger combo safe that form fits my hand and releases to a code i can enter in about 3 seconds. i keep the clip next to it.

As a society, guns have been a technological evolution that has become a big part of our culture. I think most people would agree that a world without guns would be more ideal. But unfortunately, that's not realistic. We can't put the cat back in the bag. And guns are fairly simple to manufacture.

I don't know that disarming a nation with 90% of it's military deployed outside of it's own borders is in the long term strategically sane.

[Monksdown]

Quoting:

Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders
Butte, MontanaNovember 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year oldPatricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montanaand Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke throughthe front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room andgrabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be thefirst to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old'sknee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to theleft shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to deathbefore medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to thechest. Ever wonder why good stuff never makesNBC, CBS,PBS,MSNBC, CNN, orABC news.... Now that is Gun Control!

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Quoting:

Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders
Butte, MontanaNovember 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year oldPatricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montanaand Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke throughthe front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room andgrabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be thefirst to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old'sknee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to theleft shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to deathbefore medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to thechest. Ever wonder why good stuff never makesNBC, CBS,PBS,MSNBC, CNN, orABC news.... Now that is Gun Control!

Now that is awesome.

[onlydarksets]

Seriously, folks - it's called Snopes, and, unlike guns, it saves lives:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Home Invasion Thwarted by 11-Year-Old Girl

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Quoting:

Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders
Butte, MontanaNovember 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year oldPatricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montanaand Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke throughthe front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room andgrabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be thefirst to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old'sknee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to theleft shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to deathbefore medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to thechest. Ever wonder why good stuff never makesNBC, CBS,PBS,MSNBC, CNN, orABC news.... Now that is Gun Control!

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Seriously, folks - it's called Snopes, and, unlike guns, it saves lives:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Home Invasion Thwarted by 11-Year-Old Girl

So one false story that gets passed around proves...?

[SkinDogg]

Not picking sides here, but for every story like this is a story of some kid who accidently killed a buddy while playing with dad's gun. Or, some kid who took dad's gun to school...

And why was an 11-year old left home alone?

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Quoting:

Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders
Butte, MontanaNovember 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year oldPatricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montanaand Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke throughthe front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room andgrabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be thefirst to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old'sknee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to theleft shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to deathbefore medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to thechest. Ever wonder why good stuff never makesNBC, CBS,PBS,MSNBC, CNN, orABC news.... Now that is Gun Control!

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by SkinDogg

Not picking sides here, but for every story like this is a story of some kid who accidently killed a buddy while playing with dad's gun. Or, some kid who took dad's gun to school...

And why was an 11-year old left home alone?

yup.

I'm very pro-gun, but very pro-gun control. I don't understand why people have to take a test in order to drive a car, but anyone over a certain age with no felonies can buy a handgun. Policies banning certain setups are definitely the wrong approach in my opinion. Better screening for intelligence and mental health is the way to go, with the cost getting passed on to the people purchasing...

again just my opinion...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Quoting:

Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders
Butte, MontanaNovember 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year oldPatricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montanaand Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke throughthe front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room andgrabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be thefirst to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old'sknee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to theleft shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to deathbefore medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to thechest. Ever wonder why good stuff never makesNBC, CBS,PBS,MSNBC, CNN, orABC news.... Now that is Gun Control!

those two dudes got what they deserved. i would have done the same thing, except after i shot them down i would have kicked him in his face.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

those two dudes got what they deserved. i would have done the same thing, except after i shot them down i would have kicked him in his face.

Except that it never happened.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by scowan

Kind of off the subject, but I once heard that one of the reasons the Japanese just attacked Pearl Harbor and did not invade the USA in 1941 was because citizens owned guns in California. They were scared. The simple fact that you don't know who is "packing heat" prevents a lot of crimes.

For the record Pearl Harbor was an air strike. I hardly think they were afraid of the average US joe with a hand gun in their night stand.

I am just guessing here.

[Ocliw]

That being said, my peice is locked up with a finger combo safe that form fits my hand and releases to a code i can enter in about 3 seconds. i keep the clip next to it.


Thats great. I have a couple of friends that had rather deer hunt than eat. Guns all over the house in unlocked cabinets and kids running wild. When I've mentioned locking them up because of their kids the response is always the same. Awwww they know not to touch them. Makes me sick!

[MTK]

"I fear no man and I'm unarmed"

Without cheating name the song and band.

[Monksdown]

well it's not tupac