My favorite quote about Todd Collins

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Well, it sounds like TC prepares for a game as well as anyone out there. He's had a long time to prepare with Saunders, so they make a great match. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be prepared with another coordinator.

Yeah preparation-wise, I would agree. Collins would certainly study hard for anybody. But I meant more that Collins is a tremendous fit in Saunders' system, because the routes and throws are based on timing. With the weakness of Collins arm, he needs to be in a system like this. If he's in a system where receivers make the break in their routes first, and then he throws it, I don't think he'd be nearly as successful. DBs would react to the routes and would get to more of those floating passes. With Saunders, Collins can float the ball out there before the DB makes his cut, and the WR then cuts to the ball.

And the only way to throw the ball before a WR makes his cut is to know the system THAT well.

At this stage in his career, Collins needs to be with Saunders. Collins doesn't have time to invest in learning a new system, though he might learn it well after one year, he doesn't have the time. I can guarantee you he'll sign with the Skins for less than market value. At this point, money won't be all that big an issue to the guy, he's just going to want to friggin play. He has sat his entire career. He probably knows that Gibbs and Saunders may have a real hard time sitting him down next season after the way he's playing now.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can guarantee you he'll sign with the Skins for less than market value.

Now, thats a guarantee that I would like to see happen.
Not only do you guarantee that we keep him (which I agree with)
But you make the crazy statement that we pay him less than market value.

Wow...I can't remember anyone signing with the Skins under market value.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Now, thats a guarantee that I would like to see happen.
Not only do you guarantee that we keep him (which I agree with)
But you make the crazy statement that we pay him less than market value.

Wow...I can't remember anyone signing with the Skins under market value.

How about Ladell Betts last year?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about Ladell Betts last year?

Good one. I'd argue that signing Cooley before his Pro Bowl season saved us millions had he been allowed to test his value in free agency.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Good one. I'd argue that signing Cooley before his Pro Bowl season saved us millions had he been allowed to test his value in free agency.

Yep. Cooley could have demanded some mega bucks on the open market.

Speaking of that, isn't it great to see a guy have a monster season after signing a fat contract like he did? Too often you see guys sign big deals and then they lose their edge. Not with Cooley, he just continues to improve.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yep. Cooley could have demanded some mega bucks on the open market.

Speaking of that, isn't it great to see a guy have a monster season after signing a fat contract like he did? Too often you see guys sign big deals and then they lose their edge. Not with Cooley, he just continues to improve.

I hope the trend continues of re-signing our own young core guys before they hit free agency. Montgomery, Doughty, and Golston all have contracts that expire next season. I hope some effort is made to keep them from free agency, expecially Montgomery.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Now, thats a guarantee that I would like to see happen.
Not only do you guarantee that we keep him (which I agree with)
But you make the crazy statement that we pay him less than market value.

Wow...I can't remember anyone signing with the Skins under market value.

Echoing Matty, Ladell Betts.

I'd say Mike Sellers is way underpaid. I'd also say that though we just resigned Cooley, he's a good bargain.

In Collins' case, can't you see the logic there? Why would he want to go anywhere else? If you're 36, going on 37, and haven't played football your entire NFL career, and knowing that QB's careers go downhill after 37 (typically), wouldn't you want to avoid learning new systems?

I think Danny will take care of him pretty well. But the guy is in line for a one-year deal a la Jeff Garcia in Tampa (after that great relief appearance in Philly). I bet we don't have to pay him that much to keep him. He's going to want to start, but he's going to want to start for Saunders.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Echoing Matty, Ladell Betts.

I'd say Mike Sellers is way underpaid. I'd also say that though we just resigned Cooley, he's a good bargain.

In Collins' case, can't you see the logic there? Why would he want to go anywhere else? If you're 36, going on 37, and haven't played football your entire NFL career, and knowing that QB's careers go downhill after 37 (typically), wouldn't you want to avoid learning new systems?

I think Danny will take care of him pretty well. But the guy is in line for a one-year deal a la Jeff Garcia in Tampa (after that great relief appearance in Philly). I bet we don't have to pay him that much to keep him. He's going to want to start, but he's going to want to start for Saunders.

I agree that Collins will think long and hard about going somewhere else. All he has to do is talk to Brunell. He didn't exactly keep his frustrations hidden when asked about learning Saunders' system.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

I agree that Collins will think long and hard about going somewhere else. All he has to do is talk to Brunell. He didn't exactly keep his frustrations hidden when asked about learning Saunders' system.

I agree. I think that Brunell's inability to either learn and/or absorb Saunders system, plus the fact that his arm turned into a wet noodle and he couldn't throw any passes EXCEPT the checkdowns, lead to our offensive failure in the beginning of last year.

Collins should DEF stay here next season. Easier for him, easier for the team, it just works out better.

It would be weird to use Collins later kinda like Arizona used Tim Rattay this year after JC got healthy. For some reason that just came to mind. Beer.