What Changes Should We Make Going Into 08?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree a potential replacment for VC would never overrule Gibbs. Gibbs runs the ship and he has final say. I am fine with that. Gibbs is doing a good job of turning around the team. However back in the 80's we had Bobby Beathard, but under him we had a very good assistant Charlie Casserly and a group of scouts that were credited for fairly consisantly finding incredible hidden gems like Joe Jacoby, Monte Coleman, Darryl Grant, Jeff Bostic to name a just a few. Beathard like Gibbs today run the draft, but the guy under Gibbs (VC) has not been producing year to year. It wasn't until Gibbs arrived that it has started to change. We can respectfully disagree on this point, but VC has had his chance and I do not see any great track record. After a certain amount of time it is good to make changes when things are not working well. especially when there are other great talent evaluaters out there. It is not like VC is the only guy available. Just my humble opinion, that is all. I am not trying to be an ass about it nor do I hate VC. I just think it is time for a change. Which is the title of this thread.

You know what? F your opinion. If I want your opinion I'll smack you over the head with it!

Kidding, just kidding. No seriously that's cool. I just don't see the benefit of firing Vinny now. If we were going to it should have been done four years ago, in my opinion.

[firstdown]

One need people have not mentioned is the need for a new T runner. You know that kid that runs onto the field to get the kicking tee after a kick off. The kid we have now is slow and I have seen him trip and fall a few times. Ones he got confused and could not find the tee and someone else had grabed it and was gone before he knew what happened.

[MTRedskinsFan]

Clicking on this thread my thinking was there are three changes that need to be made (O-line, pass rush, and WR) and two potential changes (CB and LB). That seems to mostly be the conventional wisdom reading all the posts, w/ some real interesting ideas mixed in. Still, I kind of see each situation a little different now.

Must see changes:

1. The o-line needs a big infusion of talent to make this offense work. Probably safe assumption Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, JJ come back and at least start healthy. But talented depth is a must because injuries are inevitable. I would like to see a stud drafted a guard who can step into the fray if RT or Kendall go down. The sitz w/ tackle is more complicated, because JJ may be too far past prime. I'm sure coaches will know whether the draft or FA is best for a tackle, depending on Janson's status. Heyer got man-handled all day by Kearney - w/o a lot of luck and illegal substances he ain't ready.

2. I just need a pass rusher pure and simple. AC is a stud but he needs help. I don't see us adding a DT either. Our guys stop the run well and listening to GW talk about the unlimited potential in AM i think we're pretty set there. A stud DE makes the most sense to take over for P. Daniels (who should be a backup).

3. I'm already sick of talking about all the dropped passes our WR corps had this year but seriously unless we see a change in personel it will always be something talked about. ARE is most reliable I saw but is a #3 (potentially #2 if we have a real stud opposite side). I know people still love Moss - ok, keep the guy but for fuck sakes he should be the first to restructure and take a pay cut then. Hurt half the time, drops passes seems like half the time when healthy... WTF!!! Please, please, please coaches, don't put your eggs in the Santana basket again next season.
I like the idea of a big WR too because if you notice JC gets a lot of his passes up high. This has something to do w/ Cooley being his fav and most prolific target. Maybe JC "fixes" this in the offseason. Maybe not. But a big WR, w/ hands made of Krazy Glue can't be a bad thing either way.

Potential changes to be seen:

1. If we lose SS then we have to get a veteran CB. I hope he restructures and stays but that's just me. Mostly healthy in '07 because he changed his conditioning so that's not as big a concern and he was f'n brilliant down the stretch. I think a bum leg held him back in Seattle, but like Gibbs says we're better defensively when he's out there. Smoot progressed a lot as did Torrence (who always seems like the fastest guy on the field). Hopefully Rogers is working himself back in late in the season and we don't have to do anything major in this dept. for at least a couple of years.

2. Maybe we go out and get a LB. Seems like this depends on the progress of Blades and KC, and whether Godfrey will commit to another year. I know we're older here but it's a solid group and bigger priorities exist within limited opportunities.

I know some folks think safety is a ? but i don't see it. Landry will be a top 3 FS next year, mark my words. He's as fast as anybody in football w/ a passion for contact, and he's turning supersmart. At SS Doughty proved worthy IMO. i get the feeling he will do anything to keep his starting position.

Side note: I totally suck at predicting draft picks/FA acquisitions so I won't even try this time. Last draft I actually thought we'd take AP (when nobody else did), trade one of our backs (probably Portis) for picks or maybe a DE. That said, I hope we at least get a stud o-lineman and pass rusher out of the draft.

[chrisfx]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Well that was a great season very proud of the Skins & Gibbs. What changes would you like to see for next season. Upgrade D-Line, O-Line & CB. Your Thoughts?

Re changes for 2008:

Root for a team that has a chance at winning the NFC. Responding to those who said the Seahawks aren't a notch above the Redskins. How many times have we played in the playoffs? How many times and by how much has Seattle won? What is the Skins combined record in last three years? What is the Seahawks three year record. Please! You thought you could beat us at home? We could play that game 10 times and the Skins wouldn't win once. Give respect where respect is due.

[JLee9718]

We need an assistant offensive line coach to work with Joe Bugel to teach the guys how to block once the ball is snapped. The O line needs to get off the ball fster. Other teams made the Seattle defense look ordinary, but we made their whole line look like all-pros. They're good, but Atlanta scored 40 some points on them, albeit in a meaningless game. Is our O line that much weaker than other teams'? We run a very poor 4th and 1 or even 4th and inches play the whole year.

[kdogg3270]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

We need an assistant offensive line coach to work with Joe Bugel to teach the guys how to block once the ball is snapped. The O line needs to get off the ball fster. Other teams made the Seattle defense look ordinary, but we made their whole line look like all-pros. They're good, but Atlanta scored 40 some points on them, albeit in a meaningless game. Is our O line that much weaker than other teams'? We run a very poor 4th and 1 or even 4th and inches play the whole year.

we were missing 2 of our starting 5. that impacts where you line up the tight ends and the overall pass protection shcemes..and we STILL took the lead on the 'hawks..i'm not that concerned about the line (when healthy)

[SmootSmack]

If you're not even including playcalling in your assessment (or even if you were), I think there is simply no way anyway can say Billick is a better coach than Gibbs. As for Billick not being at fault for his lackluster offense players, if Billick was the offensive sage that he claims to be then his offenses would be able to perform at a much higher level regardless. Like maybe he could win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs and 3 different RBs. Plus if you say that he's not to blame for offense, then would you say he's not to be credited for defense. That same defense that was the sole reason the Ravens even have a Super Bowl title.

[prinzeofmoval]

okay i follow you there but back in those days all you had to do was make it to the dance.there was no afc team coming close to the nfc...kinda like now.maybe Billick was a bad pick but the guy is a in your face coach which is what we can probably use now.

[That Guy]

[quote=prinzeofmoval;403941]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If you're not even including playcalling in your assessment (or even if you were), I think there is simply no way anyway can say Billick is a better coach than Gibbs. As for Billick not being at fault for his lackluster offense players, if Billick was the offensive sage that he claims to be then his offenses would be able to perform at a much higher level regardless. Like maybe he could win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs and 3 different RBs. Plus if you say that he's not to blame for offense, then would you say he's not to be credited for defense. That same defense that was the sole reason the Ravens even have a Super Bowl title.

okay i follow you there but back in those days all you had to do was make it to the dance.there was no afc team coming close to the nfc...kinda like now.maybe Billick was a bad pick but the guy is a in your face coach which is what we can probably use now.

the best coach outside of NE is jeff fisher, but he's spoken for :/ cowher's pretty good, but williams would probably be pretty good in his 2nd stint as a HC. I don't think we need billick here.

[SmootSmack]

[QUOTE=That Guy;403944]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

the best coach outside of NE is jeff fisher, but he's spoken for :/ cowher's pretty good, but williams would probably be pretty good in his 2nd stint as a HC. I don't think we need billick here.

Damn TG you're making it look like I made those last comments. I'm suing you for slander/libel

[BrunellMVP?]

more aggressive play calling.
youth movement (to have a roster full of quality backups now) for the future
10-6

[MPNRedskins]

With the off-season coming up for us, Jason Campbell will be able to absorb the playbook more. I say open the playbook and let Jason Campbell do his thing. He's got a cannon for an arm and will be able to hit Moss or Randle El deep. He will learn from the mistakes of this year and, in my opinion, be a force to be reckon with next year. I think we can make a serious playoff run as long as we stay healthy. Defense should be good to go, maybe add another D-Lineman and a CB. Just my thoughts.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Re-sign Collins as back up. Have him work with Campbell all summer and have Saunders create plays to utilize Campbell's strengths. Get DE from draft and pick up Briggs from free agency

[CPAlltheWay012]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Re-sign Collins as back up. Have him work with Campbell all summer and have Saunders create plays to utilize Campbell's strengths. Get DE from draft and pick up Briggs from free agency

Briggs no chance in hell..

[CanadianSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Re-sign Collins as back up. Have him work with Campbell all summer and have Saunders create plays to utilize Campbell's strengths. Get DE from draft and pick up Briggs from free agency

If we are going to get a big name player, I would not go after Briggs, but would much rather go out and get someone like Chad Johnson. I really hope Shawn stays, he is a great vet on the D. Also I think we really need to give Reed Doughty a chance at SS. He did a great job and in this defensive scheme, the SS is up near the line. I saw him on many plays since he has been in and is still very young. We need to get our O-line healthy and get some solid young back ups in to groom. I really do like our line when it is healthy, but am getting tired of watching them go down with injuries. We need to understadn that Jansen and Thomas (even though very good o-line) are injury prone and have to prepare for that.