Chad Johnson?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

That's another reason not to trade for him.

We wouldn't have to trade for him the word is the Bengals might release him.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

We wouldn't have to trade for him the word is the Bengals might release him.

Really? From where? I can't imagine anyone letting go of anyone of that caliber without any compensation.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Really? From where? I can't imagine anyone letting go of anyone of that caliber without any compensation.

Well that what was said not sure if will actually happen tho. I think they are gonna clean house Palmer is fed up with the B.S. & I'm pretty sure CJ attitude will change in a new home anything is better than the Bengals franchise right now.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Really? From where? I can't imagine anyone letting go of anyone of that caliber without any compensation.

Those are the rumors I have heard as well, although I am afraid I don't have a source. I am sure they will dangle him as trade bait but I doubt anyone will spring.

Well I agree we shouldn't give up picks for him if he is a free agent I would love to see us go after him. He reminds more of Moss than TO as a malcontent in that his petulance comes more from losing than from not getting enough attention or catches, imo. And he's a young, spry 30 with a couple probowl years left.

[RobH4413]

I'm going to go out on a limb here... but I think if we can figure out a reasonable means to get him... we absolutely should.

He's a proven playmaker, and I think he would fit in great with our other receivers and personalities. I just don't think it's going to be possible to trade for him.

We just don't have the ammo...

[RobH4413]

Chad Johnson

The guy is elite.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Chad Johnson

The guy is elite.

Ill admit it, he has put up impressive numbers, and a tandem of him and moss would be similar to the likes of wayne and harrison, so any money invested in him would be well worth it. I would be all for the redskins getting him, but I just very much doubt that is going to happen. We will never be able to afford him.

At 30 he may be entering the last "elite" years of his career, and there is no way he is gonna take a paycut after putting up the most rec yards of his career this season, especially not to receive the passes of the unproven arms of JC and TC. Im not saying neither could help him produce the big numbers he is accustomed to, because Im sure they could, but I doubt CJ sees it that way.

So, this team doesn't have the cap space, and WR is in no way a position of need for us right now. For all of you that want to dream about CJ coming here, have your fun, but it makes very little sense. Sure, it would be really really cool, but so would picking up a elite DE, and that would be much more practical.

But hey, Gibbs is gone, Danny is back at the helm, Fuck practicality. What has it brought us? Two playoff appearances in three years . . . A young talented team with a lot of potential . . . A winning record in the best division of the NFL with the second hardest schedule . . . whoopty-fuckin-do. Where are the headlines? The big name FA signings? The QB controversies, and sideline antics? That is the Redskins we know and love isn't it? No? Well, at least thats the way you build dynasty, right?

IMO, lets concentrate on keeping some continuity on this team in the wake of Gibb's departure, and learn from the PATs and wait on blockbuster trades and FA signings until we have a few Super Bowls under our belt.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by WillH

Ill admit it, he has put up impressive numbers, and a tandem of him and moss would be similar to the likes of wayne and harrison, so any money invested in him would be well worth it. I would be all for the redskins getting him, but I just very much doubt that is going to happen. We will never be able to afford him.

At 30 he may be entering the last "elite" years of his career, and there is no way he is gonna take a paycut after putting up the most rec yards of his career this season, especially not to receive the passes of the unproven arms of JC and TC. Im not saying neither could help him produce the big numbers he is accustomed to, because Im sure they could, but I doubt CJ sees it that way.

So, this team doesn't have the cap space, and WR is in no way a position of need for us right now. For all of you that want to dream about CJ coming here, have your fun, but it makes very little sense. Sure, it would be really really cool, but so would picking up a elite DE, and that would be much more practical.

But hey, Gibbs is gone, Danny is back at the helm, Fuck practicality. What has it brought us? Two playoff appearances in three years . . . A young talented team with a lot of potential . . . A winning record in the best division of the NFL with the second hardest schedule . . . whoopty-fuckin-do. Where are the headlines? The big name FA signings? The QB controversies, and sideline antics? That is the Redskins we know and love isn't it? No? Well, at least thats the way you build dynasty, right?

IMO, lets concentrate on keeping some continuity on this team in the wake of Gibb's departure, and learn from the PATs and wait on blockbuster trades and FA signings until we have a few Super Bowls under our belt.

Yeah, the Pats didn't improve their team with any free agent signings this year. Oh wait, that's exactly what they did, making the biggest splash last offseason.

The problem with this team in the past hasn't been signing free agents, it has been signing bad free agents and mortaging drafts for older non-impact players. Just because Deion Sanders and Brandon Lloyd busted out doesn't mean we should never sign another free agent player again. I mean, London Fletcher and Fred Smoot didn't exactly destroy our defensive continuity last year did they?

[WillH]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Yeah, the Pats didn't improve their team with any free agent signings this year. Oh wait, that's exactly what they did, making the biggest splash last offseason.

The problem with this team in the past hasn't been signing free agents, it has been signing bad free agents and mortaging drafts for older non-impact players. Just because Deion Sanders and Brandon Lloyd busted out doesn't mean we should never sign another free agent player again. I mean, London Fletcher and Fred Smoot didn't exactly destroy our defensive continuity last year did they?

Sorry, I must not have made myself clear enough. In fact you inadvertently made my point. What I meant to say is not that we shouldn't be signing free agents, but that we can't afford to sign big name FAs to top dollar contracts. Practical signings are indeed a must to build a good team, but if you will notice the Pats didn't make that big FA splash until after they had built a solid foundation, a proven one at that. One with multiple Super Bowl rings. We need to make smart, economically sound signings, and then, once we have a solid, proven, super bowl winning team, then maybe we can go after the Chad Johnsons and Randy Moss's so that we can break some records of our own.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Chad Johnson

The guy is elite.

Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear". Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.
Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear". Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.
Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.

Good post.

If we want to improve our receiving corps, we are going to have to go get an elite target. However, elite receiving targets cost a lot of money, and rarely if ever live up to their billing. Since signing anything less than an elite receiver will in no way improve our receivers (we go about 4 deep at above average, and Cooley plays the slot receiver anyway), the most intelligent course of action would be to sit on our hands.

Maybe two years down the road, it will become profitable to release Moss, and chase a guy like Larry Fitzgerald in free agency, but for the time being, there's really not a whole lot of intelligent moves that can be made with our wide receivers.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good post.

If we want to improve our receiving corps, we are going to have to go get an elite target. However, elite receiving targets cost a lot of money, and rarely if ever live up to their billing. Since signing anything less than an elite receiver will in no way improve our receivers (we go about 4 deep at above average, and Cooley plays the slot receiver anyway), the most intelligent course of action would be to sit on our hands.

Maybe two years down the road, it will become profitable to release Moss, and chase a guy like Larry Fitzgerald in free agency, but for the time being, there's really not a whole lot of intelligent moves that can be made with our wide receivers.

exactly.

[dgreen]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear".

I agree his numbers would likely drop (but not a huge dive, IMO) and that people would complain about his $/reception ratio. But, I don't think those are good reasons to stay away from Chad Johnson, or any other top WR.

Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.

Not true. Simply having a guy of CJ's caliber on the field would help Moss, Cooley, ARE, Portis, and anyone else on the field.

Nobody can convince me Houshmandzadeh is more talented than CJ. Houshmandzadeh, while a good WR, is putting up such good numbers because of who is taking coverage away from him.

Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.

WR is the starting position that needs to be upgraded the most. If Springs leaves and Rogers doesn't look like he'll be ready for the start of the season, then I'd say starting CB becomes the biggest need. But, as things stand today, WR is at the top.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by dgreen

I agree his numbers would likely drop (but not a huge dive, IMO) and that people would complain about his $/reception ratio. But, I don't think those are good reasons to stay away from Chad Johnson, or any other top WR.


Not true. Simply having a guy of CJ's caliber on the field would help Moss, Cooley, ARE, Portis, and anyone else on the field.

Nobody can convince me Houshmandzadeh is more talented than CJ. Houshmandzadeh, while a good WR, is putting up such good numbers because of who is taking coverage away from him.


WR is the starting position that needs to be upgraded the most. If Springs leaves and Rogers doesn't look like he'll be ready for the start of the season, then I'd say starting CB becomes the biggest need. But, as things stand today, WR is at the top.

That is ludicrous. Perhaps moss was a bit disappointing early this season, but he was injured, and BL was certainly a bust. But ARE had a decent year for us, and Caldwell and McCardell both proved to be consistent third and fourth receivers. And who knows? Maybe this Anthony Mix kid will be special.

If you ask me the problems with our passing game began with our O-line. Yes our WR dropped alot of balls early in the season, and that should not be excused, but they settled into a rhythm and started producing consistently from the mid point of the season. Furthermore, if you look at the middle stretch during which we lost most of our games, you'll notice that our QB never had time to sit in the pocket. JC constantly had to shift around and bide his time. This allowed him to take the deep shot only a few times every game, and he overthrew a few too many of those deep shots. Yes the WR's dropped a few they shouldn't have, but if you only have a legitimate chance at catching one homerun ball a game then you're SOL. This may not be a completely analogous example, but Randy Mos couldn't do shit on the Raiders. It doesn't simply take an elite WR to turn a teams passing game around, you need a good QB and good pass protection, not to mention some relief from your running game.

I think with our O-line healthy again next year, we will get better production not only from our WR's but from the Offense as a whole. Little needs to be changed in this Offense, but what is certain is that we need young talented depth in the O-line so that late in the season we have our future starters out there showing us why they were worth the draft picks.

As for the Defense, yes they kept us in a lot of games, and finished 8th overall in the NFL, but there is a glaring problem on our Defense. We get ZERO pressure from our front four. OK that is an exaggeration, but it is certainly a weakness, one that I would contend cost us a few games this year. How many times did we let teams drive down the field late in games and score a winning TD our FG? It seems to me that what happened in those situations is that we brought only a four man rush and dropped everyone else back to prevent the big play. It did stop the big play, but we let the teams methodically drive down the field to score and win, and it is because our front four could not disrupt the QB, plain and simple.

These are our biggest concerns hands down, and as you said our secondary could potentially become a big concern as well. I will give you this, we could certainly use an elite WR. Who Couldn't?!? But there is no way it is our #1 need right now. I will grant you that it will be necessary in the next few years for this team to become a powerhouse, but as far as developing this team into a perennial playoff contender is concerned, we have much more immediate problems.