Tiger Woods lynching comments

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Society isn't too sensitive if her choice of words were because of his skin color. That is a horrible thing to say. But maybe she just used those words and didn't relate them at all to tiger's race. I just think that is hard to do. Lynching someone from a tree brings brings one thing to mind. I don't know if she would have used the same words for a white person. Kind of like when Arthur blank made this comment

YouTube - Racist? Arthur Blank on Michael Vick

I don't think arthur meant in that way though.

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

Eh. Well it's like my grandmother was saying that our generation (Which I'm assuming is everyone born from the 80's-90's) is a good generation in the fact that we don't automatically jump to look at things from a race perspective. My best friend is White and she tells me she doesn't see me as a Black person. She just sees me as D (Which is what my friends call me) and that its hard for her to see people as a race and she just sees people as people.

I think if she had said something about blowing his brains out in an alley, it would be criticized but she wouldn't lose her job for it. But society's really sensitive about race issues because I think we're trying so hard to move away from it, as soon as someone says something borderline offensive everyone has to throw the race card out there and say some shit about how racist they are.

What about when Dog said the N word about the woman his son was seeing? They took his ass off the air and I LOVE Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't care how White trash they claim him to be and I felt terrible that A&E lost their damn mind about the situation. I kinda understand where Dog was coming from. Because my folks do the same damn thing. To them there are Black people and then there's the N word. And I think that's what Dog was getting at. And damnit his son was tapping the damn phone, wheres the repercussions in that?

I dunno. I'm kinda in the same boat as my best friend. I just see people as people. I just wish one day society could do the same thing.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I dunno. I'm kinda in the same boat as my best friend. I just see people as people. I just wish one day society could do the same thing.

Words to live by..............

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.

I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.

"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."



Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...

And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.

"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."



Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...

And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.

Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....

I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....

I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.

Well I am Black and I find it offensive but not to the point of where she should lose her job, but ONLY for the fact that they were friends prior to this incident which leads me to believe that she probably didn't mean it in the way that everyone is thinking she did. It'd be different if she was just some random woman and she didn't know him and was saying "lynch him". She's known the guy for 12 years! This was no personal attack or no racist comment, I think she meant "string him up" and what came out was lynch. Whoops!

She called the guy up and apologized to him and Woods released a statement saying that he didn't really care about what she said. And that should be it. There shouldn't be a huge uproar about it. As long as she goes to him and apologizes and he accepts it or shrugs it off and says "whatever we're still cool" that should be THE END. Theres no point in dragging this out and making some big social controversy out of it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well I am Black and I find it offensive but not to the point of where she should lose her job, but ONLY for the fact that they were friends prior to this incident which leads me to believe that she probably didn't mean it in the way that everyone is thinking she did. It'd be different if she was just some random woman and she didn't know him and was saying "lynch him". She's known the guy for 12 years! This was no personal attack or no racist comment, I think she meant "string him up" and what came out was lynch. Whoops!

She called the guy up and apologized to him and Woods released a statement saying that he didn't really care about what she said. And that should be it. There shouldn't be a huge uproar about it. As long as she goes to him and apologizes and he accepts it or shrugs it off and says "whatever we're still cool" that should be THE END. Theres no point in dragging this out and making some big social controversy out of it.

But do you take offense to it from a racial standpoint or from the standpoint that it's basically an absurdly violent image to communicate a message about golf?

If, and I'm saying if the instant reaction (as it appears in Sharpton's case) is to assume it's racially motivated and respond as such, it seems a bit "unfair" to the untold numbers of people of some color other than black who have undoubtedly been the victims of lynch mobs. Blacks simply are not the only people to have been victimized at the hands of lynch mobs or cruelly enslaved or discriminated against. That doesn't denigrate any of the suffering, but I think a broader historical perspective can be very helpful.

I guess to me it'd be more equitable to take offense (if offense has to be taken in the first place) because it's violent in general for no apparent purpose, rather than because it may or may not be racially motivated.

To me I rank the woman's comments as a poorly worded attempt at humor and a backhanded compliment. It would be along the lines me complaining that my wife is bugging me to take out the trash and a friend suggesting that I take her out back and beat her. Yeah, it wasn't meant seriously and no offense was intended, but it was in poor taste and could've been worded better. It's offensive and poorly thought out, but at what point do you just let it roll off your back?

To me it's hardly worth being fired over and having Al Sharpton release the legal hounds.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....

I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.

I'm black and I found it VERY offensive. I took an African American studies class in college a long time ago. There were so many hate/lynching crimes that went unpunished that it's not even funny. Stuff that never ever made it to the headlines that I learned about. However I don't see the need for Al Sharpton to get involved and I don't think she should lose her job. The Golf Channel did the right thing. Sometimes people say stupid shit without thinking. She should know better.

However, here is my problem with what she said. Would Kelly T. have used those words if she was talking about Ernie Els, Phil Mickleson or Jim Furyk? I don't know. If I had to bet on it she probably would not have used that word if she was talking about a white person.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

However, here is my problem with what she said. Would Kelly T. have used those words if she was talking about Ernie Els, Phil Mickleson or Jim Furyk? I don't know. If I had to bet on it she probably would not have used that word if she was talking about a white person.

See I disagree. I don't think she used the word lynch with any thought. I think it was just the first word meaning "do harm" that came to mind. I seriously doubt that she thought of an image of Tiger hanging from a tree when she said it. And I think she would have said the same thing whether he was black or white. The only people making this about his race are pople from his race.

[hooskins]

Maybe she meant no harm, but do people seriously use lynch out of the context of racial slurs, or describing our history? I really don't think so, or maybe that's just the crowd I hang out with.

Lynch is pretty much a taboo word.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm black and I found it VERY offensive. I took an African American studies class in college a long time ago. There were so many hate/lynching crimes that went unpunished that it's not even funny. Stuff that never ever made it to the headlines that I learned about. However I don't see the need for Al Sharpton to get involved and I don't think she should lose her job. The Golf Channel did the right thing. Sometimes people say stupid shit without thinking. She should know better.

However, here is my problem with what she said. Would Kelly T. have used those words if she was talking about Ernie Els, Phil Mickleson or Jim Furyk? I don't know. If I had to bet on it she probably would not have used that word if she was talking about a white person.

I think she would have,did you hear the conversation or just read about it?
When first reading about it I found it offensive also,but upon hearing the comment in context of the conversation it sounded perfectly innocent to me
Plus,if she was black and said this would this even be a topic? If Charles Barkley said something like this it would be laughed off. If race is going to hopefully one day be a non issue it shouldnt matter what race you are as regards to your comments,if its offensive its offensive,if she would have been Black and said this its a non issue in my opinion.
Also what if she would have been talking about Mickleson and she would have said take him out and shoot him in the head,is that less offensive? if it is why should it be? to me she was basically saying the only way to stop Tiger is to kill him because he's so frickin good and she would have made the same comment or something very similar about another golfer who was as good as tiger no matter what race they were.Was it a poor choice of words? obviously or it wouldnt be a topic,but there was nothing malicious about it and she shouldnt lose her job about it

[hooskins]

Interesting update. Golfweek editor was fired for putting a "noose" on the front cover. Thoughts?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think she would have,did you hear the conversation or just read about it?
When first reading about it I found it offensive also,but upon hearing the comment in context of the conversation it sounded perfectly innocent to me
Plus,if she was black and said this would this even be a topic? If Charles Barkley said something like this it would be laughed off. If race is going to hopefully one day be a non issue it shouldnt matter what race you are as regards to your comments,if its offensive its offensive,if she would have been Black and said this its a non issue in my opinion.
Also what if she would have been talking about Mickleson and she would have said take him out and shoot him in the head,is that less offensive? if it is why should it be? to me she was basically saying the only way to stop Tiger is to kill him because he's so frickin good and she would have made the same comment or something very similar about another golfer who was as good as tiger no matter what race they were.Was it a poor choice of words? obviously or it wouldnt be a topic,but there was nothing malicious about it and she shouldnt lose her job about it

I saw the conversation on You Tube. I'm sorry but I just don't think she would have used that word if she was talking about a person that was white. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

Yes if Barkely used that word it probably would've been laughed off. But if he did say it in that context then he should be punished. But since he is black he probably would've gotten a slap on the wrist. Is it right? Of course not. But that's just how it goes. People are allowed to say things about their own race and get away with it. I make fun of black people all the time and I'm black.

The word lynch is only used when talking about a gang of white people hanging, beating or killing black people. Goggle it and see what comes up. Some very disturbing pictures will come up and if you're black it makes you angry. She could've used so many other words but why in the hell did she use that one? I don't want the see the girl get fired but Kelly T. is from South Carolina. She grew up in the south. She went to Duke. She should know better and I would bet that she has probably used that word behind closed doors joking around with friends. Does that make her a racist? No. But you never know how people act behind closed doors. The Golf Channel did the right thing and it's over with. No need for Al Sharpton to be running off at the mouth.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

while we don't agree on much, with this i think you are dead on. i really think she was trying to compliment woods. and society is way toooo sensitive