What does Vinny Cerrato do?

[SmootSmack]

What a GM would mean is a great question, because no one really knows. That's why I always say the "We need a GM" argument carries little weight because no one can really say what that would mean.

The prolbem with Vinny is really this: No one likes him. Almost to a man (and woman), every person I've talked to who works/worked with him says the same thing. "Smart guy. Knows what he's doing. But he's hard to like."

Honestly, it's the weirdest thing. No one can ever really tell me why. Best I can gather is that no one really trusts him.

But there's one person who does...and that's all that matters. Actually I don't even know how much Snyder trusts him entirely.

[RobH4413]

Quite the enigma, that Mr. Cerrato.

He kind of looks like a rat... that's why no-one likes him.

I'm on the "aint broke, don't fix" band wagon. As fans, it looks as if we don't really know entirely what he does. So either arguments, for or against VC, carry little weight.

It is what it is.

That pisses me off.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What a GM would mean is a great question, because no one really knows. That's why I always say the "We need a GM" argument carries little weight because no one can really say what that would mean.

I always argue that we have a GM. It just isn't how we normally see it. What everyone really means when they say "We need a GM" is "We need Synder not making football decisions." I argue that Gibbs 2.0 showed exactly the role Snyder should be in. Let football guys tell you who to get and how valuable they are then go get them. I don't see anything even close to recently that leads me to believe that Snyder does anything more than recruit, negotiate and write checks. That's how it should be and I suspect that is how it'll continue to be.

I suspect the haggling right now with GW is over staff and direction of the offense. It is probably somewhat unnerving for GW to envision being HC while Saunders basically runs half the team. From what I can tell Saunders is respected but not the most liked guy and I am guessing that GW thinks this team has good chemistry and is extremely worried that not having control of the offense would be detrimental. Not control in terms of calling plays but control in terms of bringing in his guys and having them be clearly his subordinates. I tend to agree that Saunders would loom awfully large over GW's shoulder and I could definitely see that as causing problems. I am not convinced that we need Saunders or that he'd be awful loss. I do think his offense works and works well but there are other offenses, that aren't nearly as hard to learn, that could succeed. Hell I'd honestly consider giving Todd Collins a boat load of money to become a QB coach and help run the offense until he was ready to be OC. I know it sounds crazy but we'd keep the system and a sense of continuity.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What a GM would mean is a great question, because no one really knows. That's why I always say the "We need a GM" argument carries little weight because no one can really say what that would mean.

But there's one person who does...and that's all that matters. Actually I don't even know how much Snyder trusts him entirely.

Why do we need a GM? Why have we have only drafted 2 Pro Bowlers in the 7 drafts since Charlie Casserly left? Bad luck? Why did the Patriots get 23 touchdowns for a 4th round pick and we got barely 23 catches for a 3rd, 4th and a hefty new contract? Why is it the Chargers can lose LT and Philip Rivers and beat Indy on the road? Why did the Giants have all 8 of their '07 draft picks play in their playoff game versus the Cowboys?

I agree the argument carries no weight, because its as evident as air. The current structure is not working, it hasn't worked and it won't work.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Why do we need a GM? Why have we have only drafted 2 Pro Bowlers in the 7 drafts since Charlie Casserly left? Bad luck? Why did the Patriots get 23 touchdowns for a 4th round pick and we got barely 23 catches for a 3rd, 4th and a hefty new contract? Why is it the Chargers can lose LT and Philip Rivers and beat Indy on the road? Why did the Giants have all 8 of their '07 draft picks play in their playoff game versus the Cowboys?

I agree the argument carries no weight, because its as evident as air. The current structure is not working, it hasn't worked and it won't work.

I sense that you missed my point. "We need a GM" is an argument that carries little weight if it just means you're plugging another person into the decision-making process. Will he have final say? Who will he report to? Does Cerrato overrule him? And so on.

If all you're doing is adding another body to the current structure and slapping the title "General Manager" to him than what are you really getting?

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If all you're doing is adding another body to the current structure and slapping the title "General Manager" to him than what are you really getting?

Someone who takes over Gibbs' role as Team President, a position that Gibbs resigned and one that was created for Gibbs. Gregg Williams going to be Head Coach and Team President?

The current structure does not work, which is the point I was trying to make. But it needs to change.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Someone who takes over Gibbs' role as Team President, a position that Gibbs resigned and one that was created for Gibbs. Gregg Williams going to be Head Coach and Team President?

The current structure does not work, which is the point I was trying to make. But it needs to change.

Here's my problem with your argument. The past four years it seems this system has taken a step in the right direction in the scouting department. Obviously Gibbs has to be given a lot of credit for this, but he didn't do it on his own. He setup the organization to coordinate on these decisions. So to scrap it all would seem to be detrimental to the cause of maintaining continuity and progressing as a result. I will agree that I would rather see Gregg Williams stepup and fill the hole as president, but the rest of the system should stay intact IMO.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by WillH

Here's my problem with your argument. The past four years it seems this system has taken a step in the right direction in the scouting department. Obviously Gibbs has to be given a lot of credit for this, but he didn't do it on his own. He setup the organization to coordinate on these decisions. So to scrap it all would seem to be detrimental to the cause of maintaining continuity and progressing as a result. I will agree that I would rather see Gregg Williams stepup and fill the hole as president, but the rest of the system should stay intact IMO.

I disagree, but time will tell. I think Gibbs 2.0 was a success, but only because Spurrier was such a disaster. But just take the last four years on their own, compare them to the other NFC East teams (our closest competitors) and was it really a success?

[WillH]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I disagree, but time will tell. I think Gibbs 2.0 was a success, but only because Spurrier was such a disaster. But just take the last four years on their own, compare them to the other NFC East teams (our closest competitors) and was it really a success?

Yeah, I hear ya on that. I am definitely disappointed with what Gibbs 2.0 produced on the field. It is hard to tell where the line between wasting time on a system that is not working, and simply not giving it enough time to develop. We have some promising young players, and a good coaching staff, so I'd like to see at least another two years of this system before I give up on it.