Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Fassel Now Leading Candidate - washingtonpost.com

Get prepared for another year of rebuilding.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Get prepared for another year of rebuilding.

Not necessarily... Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD all had 1st year coaches from outside the organization and they all made the playoffs..

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not necessarily... Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD all had 1st year coaches from outside the organization and they all made the playoffs..

True but you know we're losing more than just a head coach. We're potentially losing an offensive and defensive coordinators. I mean we'd practically be starting all over again. New offensive and defensive schemes, after we FINALLY starting learning Al Saunders bible. I really wouldn't hold my hopes too high going into next season.

But like you said, surprises do happen.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

True but you know we're losing more than just a head coach. We're potentially losing an offensive and defensive coordinators. I mean we'd practically be starting all over again. New offensive and defensive schemes, after we FINALLY starting learning Al Saunders bible. I really wouldn't hold my hopes too high going into next season.

But like you said, surprises do happen.

So did each of those teams (with the exception of LeBeau in Pittsburgh), they each brought in new coordinators on both sides of the ball. I just don't think that a playoff team with a new staff means automatic disaster.

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not necessarily... Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD all had 1st year coaches from outside the organization and they all made the playoffs..

With maybe the exception of Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD already had a good team in place before their successors took over. If Fossil comes in, he inherits a good team, but not a dominant team like Dallas and SD were at the end of last season. Plus, Fossil is mediocre at best as a H.C. God help us all if this happens.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

With maybe the exception of Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD already had a good team in place before their successors took over. If Fossil comes in, he inherits a good team, but not a dominant team like Dallas and SD were at the end of last season. Plus, Fossil is mediocre at best as a H.C. God help us all if this happens.

So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?

I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?

I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

coaching-wise it is...you can't deny that...people ARE going to leave, plus this situation is unique. Williams has the support of everyone besides Danny and Vinny...it will be tough to swallow for the players if he's not the man

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

coaching-wise it is...you can't deny that...people ARE going to leave, plus this situation is unique. Williams has the support of everyone besides Danny and Vinny...it will be tough to swallow for the players if he's not the man

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

Good post. I can hear Giants fans laughing already. I can't believe DS is even considering this.

[GMScud]

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

Great post.
Why isn't the press all over the Danny for being such a knuckle head? Come on! The local press is scared to push the real issues and ask the tough questions because they are afraid of getting black balled by the Skins.

Jim Fassell? Are you kidding me? This confirms to me that the Danny does not understand the team and football in general.
Snyder must not want Greg Williams because Williams must want a another Gm and to get rid of Cerrato, which we now know is not possible.
Why does Snyder want to partner with a guy (Cerrato) that has had such a checkered past? Does anyone know the answer?

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

GMScud - I know what you are feeling. As long as Vinny is here Dan will never bring in a GM unfortunately. We are stuck with Vinny until Synder either sells the team or passes away -that means the current FO structure for the next 30 plus years. The only way things would change is if we had a run of years of being really bad like the Dolphins and fans started revolting completely - eventaully leading to cancellation of the waiting list and season tickets no longer being sold out. I don't see this scenario playing out either as the fan base in Washington is one of the best in the league, even if/when our on field product is sub-par.

I too think the logical choice is Gregg Willliams. Continuity would be nice and the players have made their choice well known as well. Just like compiling a team via the draft and building from within, promoting a great coordinator seems to me the way to go.

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?

I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

Our situation is different from the perspective that our team at the end of this season was not as dominant as at least SD last season. Sorry if that rubs anyone the wrong way, but SD, and even Dallas to a greater degree than D.C., had a much better roster, better record, possibly better coached, and most likely a better front office for someone to take the reigns of. I could not disagree with you more in regards to "...back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch" if Fassel is hired. The players will revolt, the assistant coaches will depart, and what is left? Going back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

With maybe the exception of Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD already had a good team in place before their successors took over. If Fossil comes in, he inherits a good team, but not a dominant team like Dallas and SD were at the end of last season. Plus, Fossil is mediocre at best as a H.C. God help us all if this happens.

Well if I'm correct both lost their first playoff game last year like we did this year but then you say they were more dominat teams. Well if this is all true and Gibbs and GW have been here four years then maybe it is time to look else where for our new coach. Parcells took over a bad Dallas team and turned over a very good (dominate by your terms) with the same amount of time Gibbs and GW had.