Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

With maybe the exception of Pittsburgh, Dallas and SD already had a good team in place before their successors took over. If Fossil comes in, he inherits a good team, but not a dominant team like Dallas and SD were at the end of last season. Plus, Fossil is mediocre at best as a H.C. God help us all if this happens.

So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?

I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?

I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.

coaching-wise it is...you can't deny that...people ARE going to leave, plus this situation is unique. Williams has the support of everyone besides Danny and Vinny...it will be tough to swallow for the players if he's not the man

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

coaching-wise it is...you can't deny that...people ARE going to leave, plus this situation is unique. Williams has the support of everyone besides Danny and Vinny...it will be tough to swallow for the players if he's not the man

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Bill B

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Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.

Nothing sells more and markets better than winning. Winning playoff games and winning Super Bowls markets better than changing Coaches and being mediocre. The Patriots are proof of that. The TV commercial ad time during the New York Giants vs New England Patriots regular season finale was the highest ever for a regular season game. The 30 second commercials were selling for close to Superbowl money.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Nothing sells more and markets better than winning. Winning playoff games and winning Super Bowls markets better than changing Coaches and being mediocre. The Patriots are proof of that. The TV commercial ad time during the New York Giants vs New England Patriots regular season finale was the highest ever for a regular season game. The 30 second commercials were selling for close to Superbowl money.

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by mooby

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

But isn't that our fault?
It would take a huge price increase or talent decrease to get me to stop paying for tickets to games.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

Well I guess Gibbs, GW and Saunders are on that idiot coaching list.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Bill B

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Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.

I think you are completely off base with this. Snyder wants to win. He seems destined to be terrible at it but he wants to win. I don't think money has much to do with it at all. If it did he wouldn't spend twice what every other team does on coaching salaries and go 50% more than everyone else on cash over cap.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?

The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.

We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.

Good post. I can hear Giants fans laughing already. I can't believe DS is even considering this.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Good post. I can hear Giants fans laughing already. I can't believe DS is even considering this.

You mean Giants + Cowboys + Eagles.

[GMScud]

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

Great post.
Why isn't the press all over the Danny for being such a knuckle head? Come on! The local press is scared to push the real issues and ask the tough questions because they are afraid of getting black balled by the Skins.

Jim Fassell? Are you kidding me? This confirms to me that the Danny does not understand the team and football in general.
Snyder must not want Greg Williams because Williams must want a another Gm and to get rid of Cerrato, which we now know is not possible.
Why does Snyder want to partner with a guy (Cerrato) that has had such a checkered past? Does anyone know the answer?

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Great post.
Why isn't the press all over the Danny for being such a knuckle head? Come on! The local press is scared to push the real issues and ask the tough questions because they are afraid of getting black balled by the Skins.

Jim Fassell? Are you kidding me? This confirms to me that the Danny does not understand the team and football in general.

He's set in his ways and if he passes on Williams................

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.

I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.

Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.

GMScud - I know what you are feeling. As long as Vinny is here Dan will never bring in a GM unfortunately. We are stuck with Vinny until Synder either sells the team or passes away -that means the current FO structure for the next 30 plus years. The only way things would change is if we had a run of years of being really bad like the Dolphins and fans started revolting completely - eventaully leading to cancellation of the waiting list and season tickets no longer being sold out. I don't see this scenario playing out either as the fan base in Washington is one of the best in the league, even if/when our on field product is sub-par.

I too think the logical choice is Gregg Willliams. Continuity would be nice and the players have made their choice well known as well. Just like compiling a team via the draft and building from within, promoting a great coordinator seems to me the way to go.