Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Bill B

[/B]


Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.

Nothing sells more and markets better than winning. Winning playoff games and winning Super Bowls markets better than changing Coaches and being mediocre. The Patriots are proof of that. The TV commercial ad time during the New York Giants vs New England Patriots regular season finale was the highest ever for a regular season game. The 30 second commercials were selling for close to Superbowl money.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Nothing sells more and markets better than winning. Winning playoff games and winning Super Bowls markets better than changing Coaches and being mediocre. The Patriots are proof of that. The TV commercial ad time during the New York Giants vs New England Patriots regular season finale was the highest ever for a regular season game. The 30 second commercials were selling for close to Superbowl money.

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by mooby

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

But isn't that our fault?
It would take a huge price increase or talent decrease to get me to stop paying for tickets to games.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

But isn't that our fault?

It really is but do you think things will change? Most of the fans that are on the internet and are saying they are gonna stop buying everything up only represent a small portion of the fanbase. Honestly I wish the fans would change and say, hey you know what Jim Fassel is an idiot hire, we don't like that so we aren't gonna support the team and buy shit up like we used to until you grow some smarts and do the right thing regardless of whether or not you like the man, but that might not happen. I hope it happens but i'm not holding my breath. Until fans stop buying everything Dan Snyder sells and his marketing isn't working anymore he's not gonna change.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by mooby

It really is but do you think things will change? Most of the fans that are on the internet and are saying they are gonna stop buying everything up only represent a small portion of the fanbase. Honestly I wish the fans would change and say, hey you know what Jim Fassel is an idiot hire, we don't like that so we aren't gonna support the team and buy shit up like we used to until you grow some smarts and do the right thing regardless of whether or not you like the man, but that might not happen. I hope it happens but i'm not holding my breath. Until fans stop buying everything Dan Snyder sells and his marketing isn't working anymore he's not gonna change.

Mooby - unfortunately even if fans stopped going to games it would take many years for the season ticket contracts to expire before a "fan revolt" could take effect. I believe all Redskin season tickets have 5 year contracts on them, so fans could just not give up tickets next year in response to Synders decision making or lack thereof.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Mooby - unfortunately even if fans stopped going to games it would take many years for the season ticket contracts to expire before a "fan revolt" could take effect. I believe all Redskin season tickets have 5 year contracts on them, so fans could just not give up tickets next year in response to Synders decision making or lack thereof.

That's not right at all. My tickets renew evey year. I believe some people have contracts but most people do not.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

That's not right at all. My tickets renew evey year. I believe some people have contracts but most people do not.

My best friends uncle has 10 tickets in differnt parts of the stadium - all of them are 5 year deals. My brother in law has 2 season tickets that are also 5 year deals as well. In fact every friend of mine that has season tickets are required to have multi-year contracts. The only ones I know of that do not are the partially restricted view seats that had a lot of complaints so Synder backed off - just my experience and knowledge of the season ticket contract thins - you are pretty lucky to get a renewal option.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Take a deep breath here folks.

Danny Boy has succeeded in creating a media frenzy about his new head coach. That focuses the spotlight on him and what he's doing/thinking/saying/not saying... And that's what this kind of thing is all about for him. There has to be "sizzle" associated with all of this. If he can hire a "sizzling" - read "surprising" - HC, that's fine. If not, he has to manufacture "sizzle" and that's what he's done.

Someone asked why the media don't take him on. Well, the local media doesn't dare do that because he'll take vengeance on them. One reporter for a local TV station was banned from using the indoor studio facilities at Redskins HQS for a year and had to do all of his reports from the parking lot. That kind of set the tone for local guys being nasty to Danny Boy.

As for the national media, they don't call BS on Danny Boy much anymore because it isn't all that newsworthy anymore.

As long as people are talking about this coaching search, that's good from Danny Boy's point of view. So keep it up folks.

Smootsmack gets angry with me when I say nasty things about Danny Boy and his need to have his ego stroked. This thread sounds to me a bit as if some others here are also thinking that Danny Boy and Vinnie are not certified football geniuses. Welcome to the dark side, folks.

For those who really think Jim Fassel is a bad idea for this team, take solace. There are plenty of worse candidates out there without coaching jobs. I don't think Fassel would be a great hire, but he's not nearly as bad a choice as some others would be.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Take a deep breath here folks.

Danny Boy has succeeded in creating a media frenzy about his new head coach. That focuses the spotlight on him and what he's doing/thinking/saying/not saying... And that's what this kind of thing is all about for him. There has to be "sizzle" associated with all of this. If he can hire a "sizzling" - read "surprising" - HC, that's fine. If not, he has to manufacture "sizzle" and that's what he's done.

Someone asked why the media don't take him on. Well, the local media doesn't dare do that because he'll take vengeance on them. One reporter for a local TV station was banned from using the indoor studio facilities at Redskins HQS for a year and had to do all of his reports from the parking lot. That kind of set the tone for local guys being nasty to Danny Boy.

As for the national media, they don't call BS on Danny Boy much anymore because it isn't all that newsworthy anymore.

As long as people are talking about this coaching search, that's good from Danny Boy's point of view. So keep it up folks.

Smootsmack gets angry with me when I say nasty things about Danny Boy and his need to have his ego stroked. This thread sounds to me a bit as if some others here are also thinking that Danny Boy and Vinnie are not certified football geniuses. Welcome to the dark side, folks.

For those who really think Jim Fassel is a bad idea for this team, take solace. There are plenty of worse candidates out there without coaching jobs. I don't think Fassel would be a great hire, but he's not nearly as bad a choice as some others would be.

Can you please explain to me the financial incentive behind creating a "buzz" about your head coaching hire?

The Redskins sell out their stadium every year, so "buzz" does not sell you any additional tickets. The coach doesn't wear a number, so coaching buzz doesn't help you sell jerseys. As the fans "buzz" about the coach, they don't check Danny's websites, they check with the insiders like JLC, Jay Glazer, Mortensen, King, etcetera. So the only websites that get a boost are media-run and don't belong to The Danny.

Danny is a great businessman, but apparently you are not. I just love this conspiracy theory about the "buzz" being profitable. It's a myth.

[Skins_FanFL]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Can you please explain to me the financial incentive behind creating a "buzz" about your head coaching hire?

The Redskins sell out their stadium every year, so "buzz" does not sell you any additional tickets. The coach doesn't wear a number, so coaching buzz doesn't help you sell jerseys. As the fans "buzz" about the coach, they don't check Danny's websites, they check with the insiders like JLC, Jay Glazer, Mortensen, King, etcetera. So the only websites that get a boost are media-run and don't belong to The Danny.

Danny is a great businessman, but apparently you are not. I just love this conspiracy theory about the "buzz" being profitable. It's a myth.

The Danny makes money by, well, look on the pages of this website. There's an ad for Redskins Sugar Pourer, $19.95. Sugar pourer's make money; buzz does not. Buzz sells newspapers.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

Please tell that to Dan Snyder, he's perfectly happy hiring idiot coaches and making money off the fans anyways, no matter how shitty the product on the field is he knows the fans will always support the team and buy everything up regarding the team.

Well I guess Gibbs, GW and Saunders are on that idiot coaching list.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I guess Gibbs, GW and Saunders are on that idiot coaching list.

You gotta be pretty stupid if you think I associate them with people like Jim Fassel. Snyder was probably gonna offer the job to Fassel in 2004 but then Gibbs came along and Snyder was like, hey, lightbulb, the greatest coach in Redskins' history came back and said he would like to coach the team again, that's obviously a better hire because A. the fans love him, B. he's the greatest coach in Skins' history, and C. he knows what he's doing so I can trust him with everything football related. Jim Fassel is an idiot and it's been proven, Gibbs is a winner and he got two assistants that even though they may not have been good head coaches, they know what they are doing on offense and defense. What happened all the pre-Gibbs years? Was that a success? Dan Snyder still made money off the team despite the fact that we usually had a shitty record, because that's what he's best at, is making money. The guy's a marketing genius, not a football genius.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

You gotta be pretty stupid if you think I associate them with people like Jim Fassel. Snyder was probably gonna offer the job to Fassel in 2004 but then Gibbs came along and Snyder was like, hey, lightbulb, the greatest coach in Redskins' history came back and said he would like to coach the team again, that's obviously a better hire because A. the fans love him, B. he's the greatest coach in Skins' history, and C. he knows what he's doing so I can trust him with everything football related. Jim Fassel is an idiot and it's been proven, Gibbs is a winner and he got two assistants that even though they may not have been good head coaches, they know what they are doing on offense and defense. What happened all the pre-Gibbs years? Was that a success? Dan Snyder still made money off the team despite the fact that we usually had a shitty record, because that's what he's best at, is making money. The guy's a marketing genius, not a football genius.

First let me just say- I do not want Fassel as our head coach.

But tell me, how has it been "proven" that he is an idiot? Sure his offenses stunk in Baltimore, but he wasn't picking the personnel, Ozzie Newsome was. Was Fassel supposed to win with Kyle Boller? Or Anthony Wright? How bout the fact that they had basically no WRs? That offense was set up to fail. And that wasn't his fault. Fassel won an NFC Championship and two coach of the year awards in New York. He also developed both Elway and Simms. And when he got fired from the Giants they went 4-12, but were totally decimated by injuries that year.

I love Joe Gibbs and overall of course he is a winner, but he was 5 games under .500 during his second tenure. And I think he'd be the first to tell you that's not really cutting it. Sure, he brought stability to the organization and built a great core of players, but apparently that's right back out the window.

I could puke.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

You gotta be pretty stupid if you think I associate them with people like Jim Fassel. Snyder was probably gonna offer the job to Fassel in 2004 but then Gibbs came along and Snyder was like, hey, lightbulb, the greatest coach in Redskins' history came back and said he would like to coach the team again, that's obviously a better hire because A. the fans love him, B. he's the greatest coach in Skins' history, and C. he knows what he's doing so I can trust him with everything football related. Jim Fassel is an idiot and it's been proven, Gibbs is a winner and he got two assistants that even though they may not have been good head coaches, they know what they are doing on offense and defense. What happened all the pre-Gibbs years? Was that a success? Dan Snyder still made money off the team despite the fact that we usually had a shitty record, because that's what he's best at, is making money. The guy's a marketing genius, not a football genius.

You said he happy hiring idiot coaches and last I look all three I listed were coaches. Then you counter argument was about a coach that never coached for the team.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You said he happy hiring idiot coaches and last I look all three I listed were coaches. Then you counter argument was about a coach that never coached for the team.

I never said Gibbs, Williams, or Saunders were idiot coaches, you just lumped them in with that. I never said, every coach he's hired has been an idiot coach, you just assumed that. He is happy hiring idiot coaches, Spurrier's an idiot coach, and to me Fassel is an idiot coach as well. Schottenheimer was a good coach but Snyder doesn't like guys that want complete control. Gibbs was a good coach too but obviously he didn't feel up to the task anymore.