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[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Honestly I really don't care and Snyder probably doesn't either. There are plenty of people out there that have already made up their minds to hate the guy no matter what, and when situations like this come up they can't wait to pounce, despite the fact they don't completely know or understand the entire situation.

I agree. I also agree that many instinctively recoil when they hear Vinny's name uttered, even though those same people cannot tell you what Vinny does or what decisions he has made. I have defended both Vinny and Snyder whenever I feel that they are being unfairly dogged (which happens often). Both are scapegoats that people can point to with knee-jerk speed.

That being said, I think it is fair to criticize Dan if he does not hire Williams. Sure, Williams has his flaws (e.g., arrogance) and had a poor record as head coach of the Bills. However, most, if not all, of us fans wanted to see Williams replace Gibbs. What has changed since the days immediately following Gibbs' retirement that would make us change our minds? Not much. Most of us still want Williams and many of us will be upset if he's not our new head coach.

We could still win if Dan Snyder hires Fassel and Williams goes someplace else. We might lose if Snyder hires Williams as head coach. But, for now, I for one still want Williams and the rest of the coaching staff to stick around. That's not an indictment of Snyder, that's an endorsement of the franchise Joe Gibbs left us with.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah, there won't be any fan exodus. If we stuck around for Martyball and The Ol' Ball Coach, I see no great fan abandonment because of The Fossil.

But I think you and Smooty are both wrong if you think that fans won't be left with a bad taste in their mouth and a general embarrassment at the way Snyder runs OUR team (yes I said ours) if it goes down like this.

The reason that fans stuck by Joe in the second half of this season had as much to do with the way he led the team with dignity and passion than it did with the fact that we were winning games nobody gave us a chance in.

That same reason is why folks are going to be bitter with Snyder even if he brings in a totally new staff and the team starts winning some games. I don't think Skins fans are content to win a few games and feel like being a bunch of a-holes in the FO is okay as a result.

We want to return to the class organization we used to be. Sure, win a Super Bowl and a lot of sins are forgiven, but give me a break, we're all a little tired of crowning ourselves Super Bowl Champs in August and sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs come December.

What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?

It's possible Dgack is referring to the Kent-Cooke era or even the Gibbs 2.0 era.

Yes, Gibbs had restored some sense of respectabiltiy to the organization and it looks as though we're on the brink of, perhaps, undoing that three weeks removed from his resigning.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?

I think you missed his point. I think he means that we all want the Skins to return to greatness; to be considered one of the best teams in the NFL year in and year out.
I don't think he means "class" as in stay classy San Diego.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?

As I referenced earlier, I'm talking about the difference between how, say, Kraft or Rooney run their organizations and how Snyder runs the Skins.

I have no problem with Snyder looking for the best candidate. I really don't. But consider that Gggrilliamsss stayed here for years with a pretty well-known expectation that he was to be the guy who took over for Joe. To tear that up after what this team has been through, especially when it smacks of a rift between Vinny and Ggrilliamsss, it just comes off as classless.

It's just one thing, but I think it's a big one. The way we've handled some personnel and now coaching employment decisions as an organization under Snyder has been pretty embarrassing, IMO. You don't get a free pass on this stuff just because you open your wallet a lot.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

freakout mode.

I want a W H O P P E R (R)!


(R) Burger King Corp

This is a whole whopperfreakout kind of thing!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jsnyder03

SmootSmack,

You are usually one of the most level-headed guys here, but it sure seems like you are in "damage control" mode. Will the fan exodus of this potential move hurt more than the mismanagement of this great franchise?

Schneed and redsk1 seem to be right on point. Just look at the War Path's poll, not everyone but an overwhelming majority want GW. As much because of his earning the job HERE, rather than his previous head coaching resume.

And Paintrain, what's up with that sig comparing GW to Patrick Ramsey? Williams has had a successful NFL career! Comparing him to a disappointing 1st round pick is simply wrong.

For the record, I would like to see Williams as HC, keep Saunders and continue what Gibbs started. I would understand going with a Cowher type HC, but if we have to blow up the entire coaching staff for a "B" level HC, my heart-felt Redskins passion will take a huge hit.

It's a direct mocking parody of the 'Ramsey never got his fair chance' whining that went on when he was cut.. It's the same thing with Williams IMO.. He's not being given a chance to be the head coach so he's been wronged somehow..

I'm not a fan of Williams OR Fassel but I don't think either is God or the Devil either. Like I've said, it amazes me the blind faith a coach with a 17-31 NFL resume garners around here. Coordinating to being the head coach is a big jump that some aren't able to make (see Turner, Norval).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's a direct mocking parody of the 'Ramsey never got his fair chance' whining that went on when he was cut.. It's the same thing with Williams IMO.. He's not being given a chance to be the head coach so he's been wronged somehow..

I'm not a fan of Williams OR Fassel but I don't think either is God or the Devil either. Like I've said, it amazes me the blind faith a coach with a 17-31 NFL resume garners around here. Coordinating to being the head coach is a big jump that some aren't able to make (see Turner, Norval).

Shhh, don't say that our D was ranked in the top ten this year if this happened last year people would be screaming anyone but GW. Remember those threads about how GW was the problem and his players where revolting against him. Yes, the same GW.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Shhh, don't say that our D was ranked in the top ten this year if this happened last year people would be screaming anyone but GW. Remember those threads about how GW was the problem and his players where revolting against him. Yes, the same GW.

The exact point I made in another thread.. It's amazing how short people's memory is.

[12thMan]

I tell you what I don't get - why is that folks are considered to be freaking out because they don't want Fassel as a head coach?

As someone said earlier, Williams is the "clear best choice."

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I tell you what I don't get - why is that folks are considered to be freaking out because they don't want Fassel as a head coach?

As someone said earlier, Williams is the "clear best choice."

I don't get it either. It's not a result of any dislike for Fassel or any other candidate Snyder choses, it's rather that as you concluded, many feel Williams is the best choice for now. I will support whoever the new coach may be because I'm a fan of the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I tell you what I don't get - why is that folks are considered to be freaking out because they don't want Fassel as a head coach?

As someone said earlier, Williams is the "clear best choice."

That's not what I have an issue with and not what I'm referring to. It's the doom and gloom crowd that wants to sell off their Redskins stuff and switch teams.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's not what I have an issue with and not what I'm referring to. It's the doom and gloom crowd that wants to sell off their Redskins stuff and switch teams.

Yeah, I hear you. But tends to go with the other. Funny!! Who said they were selling their Redskins stuff? That's funny!

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's not what I have an issue with and not what I'm referring to. It's the doom and gloom crowd that wants to sell off their Redskins stuff and switch teams.

If someone is THAT doom and gloom to start selling REDSKIN stuff...and switching teams..? Are they a TRUE REDSKIN fan to begin with? I think anyone with a double digit IQ knows how to answer that one.

This isn't the END of the world! Not my choice of what direction I'd like to see the club going, but this isn't the first time.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I just think Fassel is a bad choice...if you're not going to go with Williams...find someone who doesn't have a reputation for having players quit on him