Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by rstone1979

1-15 here we come. If the giants fired Fassel and the Ravens fired Fassel what good could he possibly do here?? We might as well hire Jimmy Johnson and Andy Ried. Any other rival coaches we can hire?

New York and Baltimore backwash... GREAT!! Thanks Dan

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by rstone1979

1-15 here we come. If the giants fired Fassel and the Ravens fired Fassel what good could he possibly do here?? We might as well hire Jimmy Johnson and Andy Ried. Any other rival coaches we can hire?

Browns fired Belichick, Jaguars fired Coughlin, Bucs fired Dungy. So what exactly is your point?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Browns fired Belichick, Jaguars fired Coughlin, Bucs fired Dungy. So what exactly is your point?

The difference of course being that they all went to teams with top-notch front offices who've made wise use of the draft and have a history of smart personnel moves.

[shzaskinsfn]

I'm so depressed!!!! this can't be worse than the Spurrier years though, right? And i just convinced my eigth year old that the Redskins are worth rooting for.

[redskinsfanatic]

get ready for 5 years of rebuilding!there will no doubt be a ny castoff(kerry collins)or one of the many ex raven qbs backing up campbell next year.say goodbye to rock and sellers too.
snyder is now the laughing stock of the whole damn league!

[21InOurHearts]

Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0

If Dan Snyder wasn't lying when he said that he learned "patience" from Joe Gibbs, then we'll see how good a move this is.

Assuming it is Fassel that gets the nod, what happens if he stumbles out of the gate, finishes at 7-9 or so, and Bill Cowher is ready to coach football again in 2009?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If Dan Snyder wasn't lying when he said that he learned "patience" from Joe Gibbs, then we'll see how good a move this is.

Assuming it is Fassel that gets the nod, what happens if he stumbles out of the gate, finishes at 7-9 or so, and Bill Cowher is ready to coach football again in 2009?

That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along

[drew54]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along

Honestly this is my biggest fear as well.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along

Yeah, if that is truly the case, then they might as well just leave Gregg Williams here. Let him have a crack at it for a season and see how he does. That way, there aren't two huge coaching turnovers in two straight seasons.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0

He does bring some tangibles, but he also has never had back to back winning seasons. I know GW didn't have one in Buffalo and Bellichek didn't have one in Cleveland, but the difference is that Fassel had talent on those Giants teams

[Warren85Ellard]

I remenber seeing Gibbs interviewed on Comcast, shortly after he announced his retirement. When asked if he would back a decision to hire Gregg Williams as head coach, he never said "yes." He talked his way around it. As much as I love Gibbs, you never know what he's really thinking, because he's so careful about what he says in public. Anyways, Gregg Williams is my first choice. It would be sad to he him go.

[drew54]

I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by drew54

I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.

I don't think there's going to be a massive player overhaul by any means. There will certainly be some changes due to the draft and the moves needed to get under the cap, but I don't foresee anything drastic.

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

I don't like the idea of having to give up a draft pick to the Ravens for Ryan. Especially when he'll jump ship at the first head coaching stint he'll get offered.