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[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Honestly I really don't care and Snyder probably doesn't either. There are plenty of people out there that have already made up their minds to hate the guy no matter what, and when situations like this come up they can't wait to pounce, despite the fact they don't completely know or understand the entire situation.

I agree. I also agree that many instinctively recoil when they hear Vinny's name uttered, even though those same people cannot tell you what Vinny does or what decisions he has made. I have defended both Vinny and Snyder whenever I feel that they are being unfairly dogged (which happens often). Both are scapegoats that people can point to with knee-jerk speed.

That being said, I think it is fair to criticize Dan if he does not hire Williams. Sure, Williams has his flaws (e.g., arrogance) and had a poor record as head coach of the Bills. However, most, if not all, of us fans wanted to see Williams replace Gibbs. What has changed since the days immediately following Gibbs' retirement that would make us change our minds? Not much. Most of us still want Williams and many of us will be upset if he's not our new head coach.

We could still win if Dan Snyder hires Fassel and Williams goes someplace else. We might lose if Snyder hires Williams as head coach. But, for now, I for one still want Williams and the rest of the coaching staff to stick around. That's not an indictment of Snyder, that's an endorsement of the franchise Joe Gibbs left us with.

[Beemnseven]

When an owner and director of player personnel have presided over a team which has collected a 50-62 record, who exactly should be the scapegoat?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When an owner and director of player personnel have presided over a team which has collected a 50-62 record, who exactly should be the scapegoat?

No one should be the scapegoat. Various head coaches have struggled in D.C., with and without Vinny and Danny's interference. Marty had full control of the team, yet he struggled. Gibbs essentially had full control and did not meet expectations. Various players have struggled in D.C., only to improve while playing elsewhere. We've had rashes of injuries at inopportune times. In other words, there are a whole host of reasons why this team's record has been mediocre since Danny became majority owner.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

No one should be the scapegoat. Various head coaches have struggled in D.C., with and without Vinny and Danny's interference. Marty had full control of the team, yet he struggled. Gibbs essentially had full control and did not meet expectations. Various players have struggled in D.C., only to improve while playing elsewhere. We've had rashes of injuries at inopportune times. In other words, there are a whole host of reasons why this team's record has been mediocre since Danny became majority owner.

I see. So the buck stops nowhere.

Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I see. So the buck stops nowhere.

Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?

The buck does indeed stop at Danny's feet. But I think it's a little too easy to pin all our woes on just one man. For example.......Spurrier anyone?

As to your second point, are you alleging that Snyder is our GM? He performs some GM-like functions, but I don't know how the power structure works and I don't know what decisions Danny made or vetoed. If you have inside info, please share.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

For example.......Spurrier anyone?

Exactly. And who hired him?

As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?

It's a simple question really.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Exactly. And who hired him?

As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?

It's a simple question really.

Spurrier didn't work out, but most "football minds" were convinced he would do quite well. Snyder gambled and got it wrong, along with the other "experts."

As to your second question, it was rhetorical (i.e., a point). But, to answer it, Snyder would fire himself. That said, I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We could still win if Dan Snyder hires Fassel and Williams goes someplace else. We might lose if Snyder hires Williams as head coach. But, for now, I for one still want Williams and the rest of the coaching staff to stick around. That's not an indictment of Snyder, that's an endorsement of the franchise Joe Gibbs left us with.

Boswell said what I didn't but wanted to.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Boswell said what I didn't but wanted to.

what a blistering article...it seems like there's mutiny in DC right now...I don't see how Dan is immune to all of this...he has to know what is going on

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Boswell said what I didn't but wanted to.

When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.

Joe is the king of ambiguity. You rarely ever get anything concrete from him. It's one of the few things about him that frustrates me so much.

[Cap'nChaos47]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Joe is the king of ambiguity. You rarely ever get anything concrete from him. It's one of the few things about him that frustrates me so much.

Maybe Coach Joe knows that with the fanbase we have that less info. is more. We're a very ''to do'', ''savy'' fanbase - not much gets by the people of DC metro area - hell, some could afford to own the 'Skins!

I don't know.... I don't know what to think anymore. I will say - I'm going to sit back and believe that they know better then I, or I would be in their business. I'm a Redskin fan and that will not change!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.

Reportedly, Gibbs has strongly endorsed Williams behind closed doors and not in public because he doesn't want to put additional pressure on Snyder. I've had my reservations about Williams, but 99% if not ALL of us on this site wanted Williams to get the job. Frankly, I'm not sure why people (not you SS or anyone in particular) are backing off their support of Williams and critiquing those who don't like this delay in hiring a coach.

Beyond leaving the current coaches and players in limbo, this delay in hiring a coach is costing us the opportunity to try to hire all the assistants we will need. The best candidates are getting picked off and unless we plan to poach and promote coaches from other teams, I am left to wonder how good any coaching staff we assemble is going to be at this point. Finally, what about offseason planning? The combine is coming up and I don't like the idea of our coaching staff not even being announced until sometime around the Pro Bowl.

I just pray to God that Dan Snyder isn't trying to make a splash by hiring Josh McDaniels.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Reportedly, Gibbs has strongly endorsed Williams behind closed doors and not in public because he doesn't want to put additional pressure on Snyder. I've had my reservations about Williams, but 99% if not ALL of us on this site wanted Williams to get the job. Frankly, I'm not sure why people (not you SS or anyone in particular) are backing off their support of Williams and critiquing those who don't like this delay in hiring a coach.

Beyond leaving the current coaches and players in limbo, this delay in hiring a coach is costing us the opportunity to try to hire all the assistants we will need. The best candidates are getting picked off and unless we plan to poach and promote coaches from other teams, I am left to wonder how good any coaching staff we assemble is going to be at this point. Finally, what about offseason planning? The combine is coming up and I don't like the idea of our coaching staff not even being announced until sometime around the Pro Bowl.

I just pray to God that Dan Snyder isn't trying to make a splash by hiring Josh McDaniels.

Where was that reported? I know that is what a lot of people assume, but I haven't heard or seen that anywhere.

I must fall into the 1% because I'm not sold that GW is the best answer. Maybe he is and maybe he is not. I appreciate them taking time to hire the new staff, and not pull the emotional trigger and crown GW immediately. I say staff, because no matter what happens, not only will we have a new head coach, but we'll have new O and D coordinators, and new assistants too, whether the new head coach is GW, Fassel, or Micky Mouse. Continuity went out the window when Gibbs stepped down.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality

I thought we learned a lot about his personal and leadership skills after Sean was murdered. But I agree we know very little about what his plans would be for the team as a whole.

Unfortunately we also don't REALLY know what Fassel's would be, or anyone else's, really.