Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my!

[drew54]

I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by drew54

I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.

I don't think there's going to be a massive player overhaul by any means. There will certainly be some changes due to the draft and the moves needed to get under the cap, but I don't foresee anything drastic.

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

I don't like the idea of having to give up a draft pick to the Ravens for Ryan. Especially when he'll jump ship at the first head coaching stint he'll get offered.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't think there's going to be a massive player overhaul by any means. There will certainly be some changes due to the draft and the moves needed to get under the cap, but I don't foresee anything drastic.

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

I agree that there were way too many coaches on this team. But this is what Joe wanted. Dan wanted Joe, Dan got Joe and his people.

The Giants have 19 coaches on staff. The Patriots 14. We had 21.

Now that Joe is gone, who is to say that Gregg wouldnt clean up the coaching roster some.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by drew54

I agree that there were way too many coaches on this team. But this is what Joe wanted. Dan wanted Joe, Dan got Joe and his people.

The Giants have 19 coaches on staff. The Patriots 14. We had 21.

Now that Joe is gone, who is to say that Gregg wouldnt clean up the coaching roster some.

I think a scaling back of the coaching staff is going to happen regardless of who Danny hires.

It's pretty obvious Danny understands that good QBs are the key piece to a consistent playoff team. More than one "league expert" thinks Jason Campbell has all the tools necessary to be a pro-bowl QB. Fassel played QB in college, developed Simms and Elway, and went to a super bowl with Kerry Cocktail at the helm. Zorn was a good QB himself in Seattle and has developed Hasselbeck into a perennial pro-bowler. No doubt Danny is trying to making sure Jason has the best tutelage possible. I just hope he's right about axing Saunders.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think a scaling back of the coaching staff is going to happen regardless of who Danny hires.

It's pretty obvious Danny understands that good QBs are the key piece to a consistent playoff team. More than one "league expert" thinks Jason Campbell has all the tools necessary to be a pro-bowl QB. Fassel played QB in college, developed Simms and Elway, and went to a super bowl with Kerry Cocktail at the helm. Zorn was a good QB himself in Seattle and has developed Hasselbeck into a perennial pro-bowler. No doubt Danny is trying to making sure Jason has the best tutelage possible. I just hope he's right about axing Saunders.

The important question is...what does this do to the value of my Jim Zorn rookie card?