Gibbs says it can be weeks...

[KLHJ2]

This is just a cluster-fuck. All they had to do to maintain cohesion was hire GW as the head coach and keep the rest of the staff in place. Now they have fucked up cohesion, chemistry, and their hopes for a winning team in the future. Why in the hell are we still fans?

The fans want GW, so give the fans GW. When we are wrong, then hire elsewhere, but I believe that we have our fingers on the pulse better than anyone else.

Give us what we want until, what we want fails. I guarentee you that it won't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by angryssg

This is just a cluster-fuck. All they had to do to maintain cohesion was hire GW as the head coach and keep the rest of the staff in place. Now they have fucked up cohesion, chemistry, and their hopes for a winning team in the future. Why in the hell are we still fans?

The fans want GW, so give the fans GW. When we are wrong, then hire elsewhere, but I believe that we have our fingers on the pulse better than anyone else.

Give us what we want until, what we want fails. I guarentee you that it won't.

LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

If not for GW we might not make the playoffs at all the last 4 years. Now you leave the guy hanging so he can't pursue any other jobs cause you want to chase around guys that are less qualified? You piss off the whole fan base, piss off the rest of the coaches cause their futures are in limbo, probably piss off the players who are behind GW. You get Joe to do your dirty work for you since you're too spineless to tell them what's going on. And for what??? To chase around guys like Jim Fassel, Josh McDaniels and the Giants DC? Josh McDaniles IS NOT ready to be a HC. The guys like 30 years old. And the Giants DC is in his first year there. Plus Snyder chases aroound other teams assistants w/out a HC in place? Sorry but that makes no sense. When has Jim Zorn called plays in the NFL? Sorry but we as fans that support the team have a right to be upset. We care about the players and most of the coaches. There was a real sense of family, continuity and trust that Joe had built. Especially after the ST incident. Now it's all ripped up and gone the minute the guy resigns. And I thought Snyder had turned the corner. It just shows that he still hasn't learned a damn thing.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

I don't see the logic in saying something like that. Of course people would be pissed; they were pissed when Joe Gibbs had a 4 game losing streak, and they'll damn sure be pissed when anyone else has one. But how much more pissed will people be IF it's Fassel losing those games instead of Williams?
On the other hand IF Gregg Williams or whoever else is the coach goes undefeated the fans will be happy.
The point is, you could say "if this..." and "if that..." all day long and you'll always sound right.

The fact is right now, when Snyder and Vinny are close to making one of this team's most important decisions in years, the support is firmly in Gregg Williams' corner. It sounds like all the players, the vast majority of the fans, the analysts, many if not all of the current assistant coaches, and even many former players (Gary Clark was very supportive of Williams on Comcast this morning) feel that this team was finally headed in the right direction and that to completely change course now would be a very big mistake. So is it worth it for Snyder to say "No, F you all; this is my choice and I'm going with whoever I want"? Of course it's his decision to make and since he owns the team he can do whatever he wants, but does that make him right, right now?

Back to my point about what you said would happen if the team starts out 0-4 (hey, didn't Gibbs start out his first year 0-5?): Yes, we'd be mad, but none of us know how it will play out once the new season starts. If we did the game wouldn't be half as fun to watch. But I look at it like folding bad cards at the beginning of a hand of Texas hold'em. If the guy ahead of me goes all in, I fold a 2-7, and the flop comes out 2-2-2, I'd still say I made the right decision at the time. I'd be mad at my crappy luck but hopefully I'd be smart enough to realize that I can't see into the future.

And I just wasted about 20 minutes of my morning.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

Has it occurred to anyone that The Danny is too much fan and too emotionally invested to make a rational decision? This coaching search reminds me of so many times in the past where The Danny pined for everyone else's high profile free agents, yet allowed some of our homegrown talent to walk (B. Mitch, Smoot, Pierce, etc.). Leaving Williams and Fassel hanging is no way to conduct a search. If he was serious about McDaniel and Spagnuolo, he should have put off interviewing others until the week of the Super Bowl. The current coaching staff is being left in limbo for close to a month. I wouldn't blame Williams if he eventually got the offer then told Danny to take his job and shove it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Has it occurred to anyone that The Danny is too much fan and too emotionally invested to make a rational decision? This coaching search reminds me of so many times in the past where The Danny pined for everyone else's high profile free agents, yet allowed some of our homegrown talent to walk (B. Mitch, Smoot, Pierce, etc.). Leaving Williams and Fassel hanging is no way to conduct a search. If he was serious about McDaniel and Spagnuolo, he should have put off interviewing others until the week of the Super Bowl. The current coaching staff is being left in limbo for close to a month. I wouldn't blame Williams if he eventually got the offer then told Danny to take his job and shove it.

How else can he go about it? He couldn't put off interviewing other candidates in the meantime because until just recently there were other HC openings around the league.

I see this as him conducting a thorough search of all possible candidates. Why hire someone now when someone like Spagnola or McDaniels are still possible candidates?

I know everyone wants to view this as a disaster, but if you look at the other side of it maybe he just wants to make the best possible decision and he's in no rush to do so. Perhaps his downfall is he's being too patient.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

Fans opinions go up and down all season, but the one big picture thing that nobody wants is for the Skins to operate like they did before Gibbs came back.
This is a playoff team, we don't need to be gutted and overhauled. I agree 100% with Boswell's article this morning, and hope Danny reads it.