Are we the Detroit Lions?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

skinsguy, and really myself and any other skin fan really, doesnt want to admit it but for the last 15 years we have a lot in common with the lions. we have both sucked. we both had a fwe moment hear and there, but we both also have lots of free agent and draft pick busts.

yes any team has busts, but the skins and matt millen get a lot of publicity for what they do and what they have done that hasnt worked. '

matt millen might be a genious for drafting johnson with the second pick in the draft, but he still looks like an idiot becuase its the 4th one. just like if dan snyder signs any free agent hes goign to get critized saying he doesnt use the draft or say that he over paid.

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

Finally a voice of reason.

Hallelujah.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

First of all, you need to stop thinking of those people as "Redskins Fans" and acknowledge them as something far more basic: Assholes. Assholes who could possibly need professional help.

Secondly, the point of this thread is to objectively examine the success of this franchise when compared to other teams that have experienced "hard times." Every franchise goes through a period like this. The Patriots are a good example. Younger fans might not remember the times when they were a team that got trampled year in and year out. Now certainly, the Redskins aren't at that level. From '93 to '95 was their worst period in modern times. Since then, it's been a modest rise to mediocrity.

Don't think that my saying that implies that I'm a "so-called" fan. I'm simply pointing out the facts. It's been some lean times around these parts. And the sting of watching Joe Gibbs walk away for the absolute last time without being able to take us back to the Promised Land is especially hard. Add that to what many perceive to be a meddling owner who has no track record of success at running a football team returning to his old ways and ... well, you get the point.

Some people, like you, have great difficulty in admitting that our team has fallen to the depths of mediocrity over the last 15 years or so, and teetered on the edge of far worse than that in some seasons.

I am not one of those people. I'm a fan, and will remain so for as long as I live. But I will continue to point out the obvious, and give blistering opinions on those who I believe have fostered the demise of this team ever since they've taken over.

And I hope to God one day I'm proven wrong.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

First of all, you need to stop thinking of those people as "Redskins Fans" and acknowledge them as something far more basic: Assholes. Assholes who could possibly need professional help.

Secondly, the point of this thread is to objectively examine the success of this franchise when compared to other teams that have experienced "hard times." Every franchise goes through a period like this. The Patriots are a good example. Younger fans might not remember the times when they were a team that got trampled year in and year out. Now certainly, the Redskins aren't at that level. From '93 to '95 was their worst period in modern times. Since then, it's been a modest rise to mediocrity.

Don't think that my saying that implies that I'm a "so-called" fan. I'm simply pointing out the facts. It's been some lean times around these parts. And the sting of watching Joe Gibbs walk away for the absolute last time without being able to take us back to the Promised Land is especially hard. Add that to what many perceive to be a meddling owner who has no track record of success at running a football team returning to his old ways and ... well, you get the point.

Some people, like you, have great difficulty in admitting that our team has fallen to the depths of mediocrity over the last 15 years or so, and teetered on the edge of far worse than that in some seasons.

I am not one of those people. I'm a fan, and will remain so for as long as I live. But I will continue to point out the obvious, and give blistering opinions on those who I believe have fostered the demise of this team ever since they've taken over.

And I hope to God one day I'm proven wrong.

I have no idea where you get off by saying that. That's a pretty dumb statement to make. I have referenced time and time again the difficult seasons we've had. So, don't make any assumptions on what I can and cannot admit. As much as people like you like to make "blistering opinions" on things, people like me will continue to look at things through another point of view that gives benefit of the doubt on all sides. When I see this team go 4-12 next season, then I'll be the first to say, "wow we suck." However, likewise, if we go 12-4 next season, I'll be the first to say, "the fans truly don't know what the heck they're talking about." And again, those fans will know exactly who they are.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have no idea where you get off by saying that. That's a pretty dumb statement to make. I have referenced time and time again the difficult seasons we've had. So, don't make any assumptions on what I can and cannot admit. As much as people like you like to make "blistering opinions" on things, people like me will continue to look at things through another point of view that gives benefit of the doubt on all sides. When I see this team go 4-12 next season, then I'll be the first to say, "wow we suck." However, likewise, if we go 12-4 next season, I'll be the first to say, "the fans truly don't know what the heck they're talking about." And again, those fans will know exactly who they are.

Hmm. I must have missed those references. Weren't you the one who recently had a tagline that said, "I happen to like Kool Aid, and will drink it whenever I choose" ??

Sorry if I have trouble linking you with the objective crowd.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Hmm. I must have missed those references. Weren't you the one who recently had a tagline that said, "I happen to like Kool Aid, and will drink it whenever I choose" ??

Sorry if I have trouble linking you with the objective crowd.

I do like kool aid, what's your point? I also like Ocean Spray and V8 Splash. Your difficulties in linking me to the "objective" crowd comes from you not paying attention.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I do like kool aid, what's your point? I also like Ocean Spray and V8 Splash. Your difficulties in linking me to the "objective" crowd comes from you not paying attention.

If you didn't get the Kool-Aid reference, then clearly it is YOU who hasn't been paying attention.

I directed my statement towards you because you and I have often squared off in the past regarding this issue.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If you didn't get the Kool-Aid reference, then clearly it is YOU who hasn't been paying attention.

I directed my statement towards you because you and I have often squared off in the past regarding this issue.

So in translation, you feel the need to attack me because I happen to reserve judgment on issues until after they have transpired. That's pretty childish. Because I don't happen to crap on the team like you do so very often does not imply that I am not looking at things objectively. I'm just waiting to see what transpires before I give my opinion. That, is what true objectivity means.

I'd suggest to you stop with the attacks on here.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

To answer your initial question, no we are not the Detroit Lions. We have 3 SB victories and have made the playoffs twice in the past 3 seasons. we are slightly above average as far as organizations are concerned at the moment. All time, we are one of the best.