JLC: The HC Horserace

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by QBall

If we get Giants Defensive Co. for our HC job I was saying.

I'm not sure how he is a "better" Williams, don't even know what that means (on a side note, suppose we did hire Spagnuolo, you'd think the Giants would be calling Williams right away to be their Defensive Coordinator)

And, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that there have been plenty of great defensive coordinators that have not become great coaches.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure how he is a "better" Williams, don't even know what that means (on a side note, suppose we did hire Spagnuolo, you'd think the Giants would be calling Williams right away to be their Defensive Coordinator)

And, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that there have been plenty of great defensive coordinators that have not become great coaches.

We played the Patriots and lost 52-7.

They beat them in SuperBowl 17-14. In NFL coaches take allot of heat and credit for teams success. I'm just making a case for him and getting my head bitten off but that's ok not going to chance my opinion b/c my box is red.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by QBall

We played the Patriots and lost 52-7.

They beat them in SuperBowl 17-14. In NFL coaches take allot of heat and credit for teams success. I'm just making a case for him and getting my head bitten off but that's ok not going to chance my opinion b/c my box is red.

Interesting logic

Look I don't think he's a bad option, but I just don't think he's the right option for this team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by QBall

We played the Patriots and lost 52-7.

They beat them in SuperBowl 17-14. In NFL coaches take allot of heat and credit for teams success. I'm just making a case for him and getting my head bitten off but that's ok not going to chance my opinion b/c my box is red.

And we split with the Giants so what does that tell you? I'll tell you what it tells me... not much.

Who's biting your head off? There are quite a few people in favor of Spags.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And we split with the Giants so what does that tell you? I'll tell you what it tells me... not much.

Who's biting your head off? There are quite a few people in favor of Spags.

Well they shut down the best offense in America and I think coaching had allot to do with it. Our Andre Carter had a great year and can put up the same numbers in 08' as any Giant. Griffin isn't done and Golston really solid. Daniels not completely done so we pick up a stud why not Skins Defensive line the best?? Carter 15 sacks and a rookie with 7 or 8, Marcus Washington with 7 or 8 and Rocky or a new FA with 7 or 8. Landry should be pro bowl every year so why not our Defense with the right coaching.

Are we worried no offensive leadership with Spags? Play calling?

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by QBall

Well they shut down the best offense in America and I think coaching had allot to do with it. Our Andre Carter had a great year and can put up the same numbers in 08' as any Giant. Griffin isn't done and Golston really solid. Daniels not completely done so we pick up a stud why not Skins Defensive line the best?? Carter 15 sacks and a rookie with 7 or 8, Marcus Washington with 7 or 8 and Rocky or a new FA with 7 or 8. Landry should be pro bowl every year so why not our Defense with the right coaching.

Are we worried no offensive leadership with Spags? Play calling?

We'll first off, putting up our line against Strahan, Uminyora, and Tuck is silly. Those are special players and there is a reason they are all-pros. Not saying we don't have good players, but they aren't that good...period.

The problem a lot of us have with Spags is the lack of HC experience combined with the fact that he is a defensive coach. While you don't HAVE to have experience to be successful in the NFL, how many first time head coaches make it into the playoffs, much less the superbowl? And further, how many that make it in their first year have terrible 2nd seasons? (The answer is a lot, Sean Payton, Mangini come to mind).

Experienced coaches have a much better track record than rookie coaches, so why saddle this team with an unproven commodity? As for the second issue, why bring in a defensive coach when you have a proven scheme, staff, and players already in place on defense? Spags will probably make a good coach in a couple years, I just don't see a great fit in Washington (now watch him get hired and win 12 games next year).

[Cooley1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure how he is a "better" Williams, don't even know what that means (on a side note, suppose we did hire Spagnuolo, you'd think the Giants would be calling Williams right away to be their Defensive Coordinator)

And, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that there have been plenty of great defensive coordinators that have not become great coaches.

Smoot your a smart man, as I was reading through this post and took a small sip of my coffee it came to me......(Spags - Williams Swap), and that scares the crap out of me. Do you know how disappointed we would all be and how good that rushing D in NY would be with Greg as their coach. It's crazy because I didn’t know if it deserved its own post or what but sit back and digest this for a minute. After you do it will make you think the chances of us getting Spag's are far less likely.

Greg is still in limbo and will be not only one of the only options available, but the best available. They will get Greg no questions asked and he will drool over the D he is inheriting. + He has practiced against our O personnel for the last few years and tears us apart. The thought of this happening will be disheartening and just down right awful. I would hate to see him coaching the Giants D next year, it just wouldn’t feel right. Then in 2-4 years he ends up taking over for old man - Coughlin, and turns into a great coach for the next 10 years beating our buts year in and year out! I have way too many other negative thoughts about this move to list, but at the end of the day do we all see what could happen just by us stealing Spag's from the G-Men. My vote is stay away from it, because the repercussions could be devastating.

If you haven’t noticed I loved Greg and really really really wanted him to be our Headman in DC.