Brandon Lloyd

[BrunellMVP?]

is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...

Llyod is due a roater bonus March 1 of this year in the amount of $1.8 million. I don't see Synder & Co. keeping him on the roster to give him that bonus. My bet is the Skins cut him so he doesn't get that bonus and than designate him a June 1 Cap cut so the cap hit gets spread out over the next 2 years. As Schneed and Crazy Canuck and other capologists on ths site have pointed out, the SKins can easily cut Llyod as far as the cap goes.
My take is Llyod has very little production over the 2 years he has been here. I know that some of his supporters say that he just never got a chance, but I call that BS. Outside of QB whom Gibbs shows a lot of patience with (keeping Brunell as the starter even though he was injured for too long) I think Gibbs puts in the players that perform well, practice with 100% effort and show a willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Gibbs does not seem the type to hold grudges against anyone and purposefully hold back a talented player. From the reports I read of Llyod and how he was here and in SF, he has shown what he is capable of - which is not much.
Instead of prolonging a failing experiment, the Skins should just go with Moss, Randle El and I bet they can find a tall, poession reciever (Mix may be the answer) and let some other team find out what the 49ers and Burgundy and Gold have found out - Brandon Llyod is all hype and no game.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Llyod is due a roater bonus March 1 of this year in the amount of $1.8 million. I don't see Synder & Co. keeping him on the roster to give him that bonus. My bet is the Skins cut him so he doesn't get that bonus and than designate him a June 1 Cap cut so the cap hit gets spread out over the next 2 years. As Schneed and Crazy Canuck and other capologists on ths site have pointed out, the SKins can easily cut Llyod as far as the cap goes.

My limited understanding of the cap is that if we cut him before the roster bonus is due, we cannot designate him as a June 1st cap cut. I'm pretty sure that signing bonuses can only be prorated over 5 seasons. That being the case and assuming Lloyd is cut before this March roster bonus, $6M will accelerate against our 2008 cap, and Lloyd will be off the books by 2009.

The previous post regarding Al Saunders pitching to get Lloyd may be another factor in the Danny's urgency to replace Saunders with Zorn.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

My limited understanding of the cap is that if we cut him before the roster bonus is due, we cannot designate him as a June 1st cap cut. I'm pretty sure that signing bonuses can only be prorated over 5 seasons. That being the case and assuming Lloyd is cut before this March roster bonus, $6M will accelerate against our 2008 cap, and Lloyd will be off the books by 2009.

The previous post regarding Al Saunders pitching to get Lloyd may be another factor in the Danny's urgency to replace Saunders with Zorn.

Soupmeister - I think teams are allowed 2 roster exceptions regarding this issue:

1. Prior to the start of the league year, teams may designate up to two (2) veteran players that they will cut after June 1 to spread out the signing bonus escalation (See 1.9b). In so designating them, the team allows these players to become free agents at the start of the free agency period -- although their cap liability remains with the original team just as it would have if the player had stayed on the roster until after June 1.

This was from the link (see section 1.14 part 6) that Hijinx just posted....
Ask The Commish.com - Salary Cap FAQ

[redduke44]

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...