Do Sport Athletes Get Paid 2 Much?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

ya know what....in the 70s when these guys got paid what we did (and got off season jobs) ...they played with their heart for the team.

Interesting that the touchdown dances, trouble with hookers in clubs, and various greed related activities weren't occuring then.

Who do you want your kids to look up to?

I still say ART MONK and Darrel Green....who were still "old school" in the 80s

Early money is corrupting many of our young athletes.
(Not to mention those smarmy agents)

Drugs, hookers, illegal gambling was all around back in the 70s. What wasn't around were message boards, cell phone cameras, 24 hour news channels

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

ya know what....in the 70s when these guys got paid what we did (and got off season jobs) ...they played with their heart for the team.

Interesting that the touchdown dances, trouble with hookers in clubs, and various greed related activities weren't occuring then.

Who do you want your kids to look up to?

I still say ART MONK and Darrel Green....who were still "old school" in the 80s

Early money is corrupting many of our young athletes.
(Not to mention those smarmy agents)

What are you talking about. Griggo admitted to getting drunk while playing football. I heard of a QB that the Dline joked always smelled like booze. If you think those guys did not hang out in strip clubs your crazy. Its just now sports are a bigger deal and you have so much media they need to find things to report about so now they follow players personal life off the field. S for if they are paid too much I guess you could say some are some are not. What gets me is these guys who come out of college and have never played one down in the NFL get paid these millions without ever proven they can play in the NFL. Allot of them fail and make enough money to never work another day in their life. People like Moss have proven their worth and get paid because of it.

[Daseal]

Exactly, NFL radio old players talk about the crazy shit they used to do when they were rookies. They said they did it and no one cared that much. Hell, you think LT would be able to carry on a coke habit like he did back then today? Hell no!

Bottom line is these players sacrifice their bodies and potentially years off their life. I bet if you were in a job with these types of hours and conditions you would be wanting to be compensating handsomely. Also, these are RARE human beings. Few people posses the gifted natural size and athleticism NFL players posses. Not to mention, every week during the season they go out and entertain how many millions of Americans? If the athletes were getting paid too much, the NFL would be out of business, but business is thriving.

The only place I split off of this argument, is teams have to pay FAR too much money to high draft picks. It's ridiculous to give that amount of money to a completely unproven commodity. The first pick in the draft seems to be more of a curse than a blessing.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Exactly, NFL radio old players talk about the crazy shit they used to do when they were rookies. They said they did it and no one cared that much. Hell, you think LT would be able to carry on a coke habit like he did back then today? Hell no!

Bottom line is these players sacrifice their bodies and potentially years off their life. I bet if you were in a job with these types of hours and conditions you would be wanting to be compensating handsomely. Also, these are RARE human beings. Few people posses the gifted natural size and athleticism NFL players posses. Not to mention, every week during the season they go out and entertain how many millions of Americans? If the athletes were getting paid too much, the NFL would be out of business, but business is thriving.

The only place I split off of this argument, is teams have to pay FAR too much money to high draft picks. It's ridiculous to give that amount of money to a completely unproven commodity. The first pick in the draft seems to be more of a curse than a blessing.

I agree here with this. Although it seems quite a bit, they get what they deserve because they do entertain tons of people.

On a side note, their payrolls aren't helping the documented growing inequality in this nation. A rising tide lifts all boats, but not equally.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Bottom line is these players sacrifice their bodies and potentially years off their life. I bet if you were in a job with these types of hours and conditions you would be wanting to be compensating handsomely.

Funny,
Are you talking about our armed forces or sports entertainers?
You have got to be kidding me.

Please compare the 2 and tell me why sports athletes should be paid a single cent more that those that sacrifice their lives for us.

Someone mentioned teacher too...
C'mon man....you truly think Sports athletes are not GROSSLY overpaid?

[Daseal]

Please compare the 2 and tell me why sports athletes should be paid a single cent more that those that sacrifice their lives for us.

Guess what nearly all these professions you're listing have in common -- they're paid by the state. People already complain enough about taxes. And guess what, the best of the best in the armed services DO get rewarded very well financially. Along with teachers, everyone at the NFL level is the best of the best.

But just like everything else, the best money is in the private sector.

Even if you want to get into sports contracts, look at baseball and basketball before football.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Guess what nearly all these professions you're listing have in common -- they're paid by the state. People already complain enough about taxes. And guess what, the best of the best in the armed services DO get rewarded very well financially. Along with teachers, everyone at the NFL level is the best of the best.

But just like everything else, the best money is in the private sector.

Even if you want to get into sports contracts, look at baseball and basketball before football.

Private school teachers make less then public school teachers. Not saying it disproves your argument, just stating the truth.

[djnemo65]

Want players to make less? Stop supporting the NFL. Otherwise they are going to get a share of the profits commensurate with what their respective unions can negotiate.

I think some of you need to go back to Russia

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Want players to make less? Stop supporting the NFL. Otherwise they are going to get a share of the profits commensurate with what their respective unions can negotiate.

I think some of you need to go back to Russia

Nice! I always throw out the socialist implications of this argument as well. The only way it makes sense in a capitalist economy to question what someone "should" make, is if you mean it relative to another position in their organization.

e.g. it would make sense to pose the argument, players make too much & some of their pay should go to other positions in the front office such as scouting.

Otherwise, I find the statements about how teachers should get paid more to be very tired, and for that matter, intellectually challenged. Also, Why single out athletes? Julia Roberts gets paid a lot more than most any of these guys w/out virtually any of the risk.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Nice! I always throw out the socialist implications of this argument as well. The only way it makes sense in a capitalist economy to question what someone "should" make, is if you mean it relative to another position in their organization.

e.g. it would make sense to pose the argument, players make too much & some of their pay should go to other positions in the front office such as scouting.

Otherwise, I find the statements about how teachers should get paid more to be very tired, and for that matter, intellectually challenged. Also, Why single out athletes? Julia Roberts gets paid a lot more than most any of these guys w/out virtually any of the risk.

I agree that it does not apply only to athletes, but how can you say: "I find the statements about how teachers should get paid more to be very tired, and for that matter, intellectually challenged."


That is just BS, you have made no real argument, just criticized people for their view. Maybe these intellectually challenged individuals are so because their teachers weren't good enough because it is such a low paying position. Look their is a big difference between socialism and trying to balance wages to make sure that those who deserve money more get it. Should a custodian get paid the same as a Doctor? No F'ing way, but there are circumstances when a capitalist system falls short. We, by the way, do not have a completely free market, we have subsidies, taxes, and the like. So why not give compensation where its due? And the reason teachers always come up is because our educational system SUCKS and our teachers are grossly underpaid, and I'd argue that the two are related.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree that it does not apply only to athletes, but how can you say: "I find the statements about how teachers should get paid more to be very tired, and for that matter, intellectually challenged."


That is just BS, you have made no real argument, just criticized people for their view. Maybe these intellectually challenged individuals are so because their teachers weren't good enough because it is such a low paying position. Look their is a big difference between socialism and trying to balance wages to make sure that those who deserve money more get it. Should a custodian get paid the same as a Doctor? No F'ing way, but there are circumstances when a capitalist system falls short. We, by the way, do not have a completely free market, we have subsidies, taxes, and the like. So why not give compensation where its due? And the reason teachers always come up is because our educational system SUCKS and our teachers are grossly underpaid, and I'd argue that the two are related.

My daughter went to private school and the teachers there make less then at a public school. Were her teachers better than public teachers? NO not really but private schools can get rid of bad teachers where in public they have a union and are tough to fire. So whats the big difference. You have parents that care and the schools do not become a babysitter for bad behavor. They can just kick the kids out.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree that it does not apply only to athletes, but how can you say: "I find the statements about how teachers should get paid more to be very tired, and for that matter, intellectually challenged."


That is just BS, you have made no real argument, just criticized people for their view. Maybe these intellectually challenged individuals are so because their teachers weren't good enough because it is such a low paying position. Look their is a big difference between socialism and trying to balance wages to make sure that those who deserve money more get it. Should a custodian get paid the same as a Doctor? No F'ing way, but there are circumstances when a capitalist system falls short. We, by the way, do not have a completely free market, we have subsidies, taxes, and the like. So why not give compensation where its due? And the reason teachers always come up is because our educational system SUCKS and our teachers are grossly underpaid, and I'd argue that the two are related.

Sorry I came across poorly. What I was referring to was the typical line that goes something like; "pro athletes shouldn't get paid more than teachers" or something to that effect. Usually, teachers are held up in such arguments rather than so many other professions.

The reason this argument is so poor is that it's essentially based on socialist principles, which in most countries (eastern europe, china, n. korea, cuba) meant that some jobs were more highly valued than others simply due to the activity of the job itself rather than the value in $. That's what led China to produce tons of iron & steel in the "great leap forward" that they couldn't use or sell. Production was valued as a noble cause, while services weren't.

That said, people who think teachers do more for society than do pro athletes - a sentiment I agree with overall - seem to think that has some relevance to what people get paid in a capitalist system (note: not a total free market, which doesn't exist in any civilized nation). In reality, it has virtually no relevance to what either gets paid.

Your statement - "Look their is a big difference between socialism and trying to balance wages to make sure that those who deserve money more get it," actually makes my point that arguments about who gets paid what are only pertinent to the organization or field itself. In this case, if you made that argument to a particular school system, that would make sense. Since any school or school system has only limited funds to pay teachers, then the issue is how much they get paid relative to other employees in the system. If you also want to make the argument that the state & fed. government should pay teachers additionally that makes sense too.

In a nutshell, pro athletes & teachers do not get paid from the same pool of money, that's why the comparison between the two might make for a good statement about wealth in the US, but doesn't have any value otherwise.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Want players to make less? Stop supporting the NFL. Otherwise they are going to get a share of the profits commensurate with what their respective unions can negotiate.

I think some of you need to go back to Russia

I know you were trying to be funny, but have you even been to Russia? They are WAY more capitalist than we are. More Billionaires come from Russia than anywhere else in the world...talk about free markets.

Agree with your point on supporting the league though...they only get paid because we're willing spend/watch TV, so there is your option.

[redwagonskins]

You get paid what the market will bear. If you don't like it, don't pay $15 to see a movie, by a $20 dollar DVD or shell at $1500 for season tickets. If you think that there is a moral argument for guys running around on a field making too much, so be it. As long as only 1700 guys are able to play in the league in any given year, 131.7 million people watch the superbowl, and the average value of a franchise in 2006 was $819 (the Skins are worth over 1.3 Billion) these guys are going to get what the market will pay them and it is a HUGE market.

Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo raked in $57 million per while helping to create the sub-prime mortgage crisis that the country is in. I have a bigger beef with that than B Lloyd taking 10 mil in signing bonus out of DS's pocket.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

You get paid what the market will bear. If you don't like it, don't pay $15 to see a movie, by a $20 dollar DVD or shell at $1500 for season tickets. If you think that there is a moral argument for guys running around on a field making too much, so be it. As long as only 1700 guys are able to play in the league in any given year, 131.7 million people watch the superbowl, and the average value of a franchise in 2006 was $819 (the Skins are worth over 1.3 Billion) these guys are going to get what the market will pay them and it is a HUGE market.

Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo raked in $57 million per while helping to create the sub-prime mortgage crisis that the country is in. I have a bigger beef with that than B Lloyd taking 10 mil in signing bonus out of DS's pocket.

Excellent points- firmly agree. Except its not really out of Synder's pocket, its ours...