Dan Snyder losing respectability?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I'm a fan. But I don't believe in getting all upset based on speculation of who may or may not be the head coach. Fans that are all "Season's over. 8-8 at best" All because of some rumors in January? Yeah, fuck them. Get a fucking life. If you want to be upset when we're 1-4 and have no offensive gameplan that's one thing, but all this "jump off a bridge" mentality now is, to me, pathetic. Look, I know people don't like it when I say it but I' truly believe that if we are indeed the laughingstock of the league-which I don't agree with-it's due in large part to the fact that the majority of Redskins fans have no clue and have no patience. Much less than for most other teams.

People say he has no clue, but they themselves really have no clue why they are saying that. They named coordinators before they chose a head coach so he has no clue? Never mind that other teams have picked coaches before the head coach. He hasn't hired a General Manager so he has no clue? How many people have really paid attention to the team's scouting department and all the strong work Scott Campbell has done in building the team over the past several years? And now he's being rewarded for it. The whole coaching search? Assumptions all over the place. And then people turning it into "Well Snyder said..." NO. Snyder never said anything. It's just that people want to assume, they want to speculate. They insist on the Redskins having patience, but refuse to have any themselves.

And where things get dangerous, as I've also said before, is when Snyder forgets that he is no longer just a fan and adopts that same desperate mentality. But I think in recent years he has fully realized that he is the owner, not just some fan, and has acted as such.

And look I'm not happy with the results on the field overall the past several years. I want us to win as often and as much as anyone else here, but I also realize that it's a marathon not a sprint, and that it's ridiculous to think that 31 teams are in better shape than we are.

first off,no one would say seasons over-8-8 at best because of speculation in january,they say that when were 5-7 and our coach is calling wrong timeouts and our best player was just murdered
2nd off,were not considered laughing stocks because of redskin fans showing no patience,its because of ownership and front office,that statement couldnt be further from the truth
3rd-so what if other teams have hired other coaches before the head coach,that doesnt make it a smart move
4th-never said 31 other teams are better off than us,I dont believe that,but right now 31 other teams look like they know what the hell they are doing{with the exception of the raiders,and thats a maybe}
5th-in recent yrs he did seem to have that mentality,but only the gibbs yrs,before that,no,after that,another no

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

first off,no one would say seasons over-8-8 at best because of speculation in january,they say that when were 5-7 and our coach is calling wrong timeouts and our best player was just murdered
2nd off,were not considered laughing stocks because of redskin fans showing no patience,its because of ownership and front office,that statement couldnt be further from the truth
3rd-so what if other teams have hired other coaches before the head coach,that doesnt make it a smart move
4th-never said 31 other teams are better off than us,I dont believe that,but right now 31 other teams look like they know what the hell they are doing{with the exception of the raiders,and thats a maybe}
5th-in recent yrs he did seem to have that mentality,but only the gibbs yrs,before that,no,after that,another no

1. People all over this board have been saying season's over before it even starts (here's just one example: http://www.redskinswarpath.com/418658-post1.html). To be fair though, their opinions should be given no thought but they are posting on Redskins message boards representing Redskins fans to everyone.

2. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

3. See #2

4. Why do you think other teams know what they're doing? What proof do you have that teams like the Falcons and Ravens know what they're doing?

5. Another no after the Gibbs years? Based on what?

[htownskinfan]

5. Another no after the Gibbs years? Based on what?[/QUOTE]

based on Gibbs backing williams and saunders and danny going in the opposite direction and doing who knows what

[SmootSmack]

based on Gibbs backing williams and saunders and danny going in the opposite direction and doing who knows what

Well Gibbs didn't back Saunders. And as for backing Williams, Snyder and Williams went through four interviews and couldn't resolve what everyone knows has been a less than cordial relationship for four years.

Now, would you rather he had hired Williams knowing neither really cares for each other and would have a hard time working together. And would probably look to split at the first true opportunity? Or would you rather they just cut the cord now before it got really ugly?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Gibbs didn't back Saunders. And as for backing Williams, Snyder and Williams went through four interviews and couldn't resolve what everyone knows has been a less than cordial relationship for four years.

Now, would you rather he had hired Williams knowing neither really cares for each other and would have a hard time working together. And would probably look to split at the first true opportunity? Or would you rather they just cut the cord now before it got really ugly?

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

He did hire him, but he later said he made a mistake. I have no link, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it. I don't know that he really deserved it for any reason other than he was a good lieutenant for the past four years and I knew it wasn't likely to last more than a year. But I knew that if they didn't hire him, it would cause a huge backlash. An unnecessary backlash.

It's true Snyder doesn't get along with too many people (though more than people assume), but here's the thing...neither does Williams.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it.

Your statement says it all.
I agree....

The issue is many of the fans thought a tie should go to the existing coach because of massive support and continuity would create a better environment for future success.

Now, there is only a single choice and it is Fassell who many should have lost head to head with Williams.

But of course, no matter the decision, we must all support our team, regardless of whether we think it is a mistake or not

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it. I don't know that he really deserved it for any reason other than he was a good lieutenant for the past four years and I knew it wasn't likely to last more than a year. But I knew that if they didn't hire him, it would cause a huge backlash. An unnecessary backlash.

It's true Snyder doesn't get along with too many people (though more than people assume), but here's the thing...neither does Williams.

As for Williams deserving it: He HAD been a good lieutenant. He did a fine job with the resources at hand. More importantly, last year, after a horrible prior year, Williams was willing to come in and, essentially, tear up the prior year's play book, stop forcing a system that wasn't necessarily suited to his players, and adapt so that, rather than his brilliance, the players abilities shined through. In other words, Williams as coach showed some essential growth by adapting to his players rather than having his players adapt (totally) to him. As a result, his coaching improved.

As for Snyder and William not getting along with people, or with each other: IMO, Snyder has NOT shown this ability to subordinate his will. Marty may have gutted the team and lost five, he then turned the team around and made a solid run. Even though Marty was turning things around from camp Norv, Snyder, in your words, "was uncomfortable". Why? B/c Marty was running the show, not Little Danny. Now, again, faced with a coach who had shown the ability to adapt to his talent and who had the backing of his players - Danny essentially is unable to subordinate his will to that of the "football man".

Bottom line - Danny, as Jerry Jones and Al Davis, wants to run the show. It's his property and he's the one who payed millions for it, but, until he has success, he will catch hell.

Part of the problem with his obsession to succeed is that it appears to be a need to succeed his way. "His way" has not been a success, and, because of its lack of success, he has little credibility w/ fans or the national press when continues to pursue it.

B/c I am a fan, I hope he succeeds - not b/c I wish any particular goodwill to Little Danny, but b/c I am sick of my team being mediocre.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

I tend to agree with your points.

Truth is....there wasn't anyone great available for the HC that really outshined GW...so why create the turmoil voluntarily?
The team loved him, the fans were ready to root for him to turn over a new leaf...he had all the motivation to save face for his past record.
Who give a crap on working relationship...this is about success...Wins and Losses.
At least give the guy 2 years....after all.
I though the coaching staff that Snyder put together was ingenious!
1 head coach and 2 head coaches in the waiting once he retires....make the choice between the 2!

He fired them both.....that is the problem

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.

JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.