BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Fassel was just on Mike & Mike. The interesting thing he said was that he was directly involved in the hiring of Zorn and Blache. He even was speaking with Zorn after Zorn became the OC. Bizarre.

As an aside, although Fassel is saying he likes DS, I think his press blitz has a point and that is to provide a cautionary tale to other coaches who in the future would be interviewing for the Skins. He is pointing out the fact that 2nd time coaches have been very successful as of late as opposed to first time coaches. He is also pointing out that he was all but offered the job and then got jilted. Don't think for a minute that this kind of stuff isn't remembered. I am going all in with Zorn because I think if he fails, this job would be even less attractive to a future HC candidate. Plus, Whatever the motive of Fassel he is sounding kind of whiny. And of course, Zorn has the old school flat-top so we have that going for us!

Who cares about his opinion on this. Just because other coaches have had success in other situations doesn't mean it would work out for us. Every situation is different. And secondly,being "all but offered a job" isn't the same as being "offered" a job.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Who cares about his opinion on this. Just because other coaches have had success in other situations doesn't mean it would work out for us. Every situation is different. And secondly,being "all but offered a job" isn't the same as being "offered" a job.

Well, actually, that isn't his opinion, that is a fact. Second times coaches have been more successful as of late than first time coaches. Whether it would work for the Skins is a whole different story. As for being all but offered the job, you are right. I was just pointing out that there is some motive to his going around on every sports show these last few days and it may have something to do with poisoning the well. Whether anybody cares or not is a totally different matter.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Well, actually, that isn't his opinion, that is a fact. Second times coaches have been more successful as of late than first time coaches. .

I would love for you to name some coaches to back that up because I'll bet I could name a few first timers that were just as successful. I could also name a few retreads that were total failures.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I would love for you to name some coaches to back that up because I'll bet I could name a few first timers that were just as successful. I could also name a few retreads that were total failures.

SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

SB XLII Winner Tim Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.

Yeah, I was pretty shocked by this myself when I looked into it. Credit goes to Paintrain for setting me straight on this.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.

Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back)

LOL, truth be told, I heard the names on Mike and Mike this morning after they talked to Fassel and I had forgotten Billick myself..