BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I would love for you to name some coaches to back that up because I'll bet I could name a few first timers that were just as successful. I could also name a few retreads that were total failures.

SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

SB XLII Winner Tim Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.

Yeah, I was pretty shocked by this myself when I looked into it. Credit goes to Paintrain for setting me straight on this.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.

You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.

Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back)

LOL, truth be told, I heard the names on Mike and Mike this morning after they talked to Fassel and I had forgotten Billick myself..